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[spyderchop]

New firearms should work properly period.

Clean it, load it, shoot it.

Anything less is not acceptable and is a black mark.on the manufacturer.

In 1996 I bought 2 new UAZ 4x4 trucks in Kazakstan. My drivers had to go south to Almaty a week early as new Soviet style trucks is would not run. They had to be worked on, carbs, brakes etc to get them to work.

I found that unacceptable then and feel the same way now regarding new items that I spend my money on.

YMMV.

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[walks with loud stick]

If you can’t open an AR by hand with both pins removed you’d need a tool, likely a hammer. The post I replied to suggested such. I compared it to something to show how ridiculous it sounded, everything scaled up with the car example including the hammer lol.

Can you let us know the issue in this specific case? I’m pretty interested in what happened.



Well if you shoot your AR platforms with one hand without any support for the upper (hand/rest/bipod) then you could see a loss in accuracy, but this is more to do with poor shooting technique and the play just compounds that. Look it up, use google. Play doesn’t matter, I’ve had sets that wobble terribly and sets that are tight, that part has no effect on accuracy. It doesn’t feel nice sure, but thats about it.

I used a hammer as an example for trying harder, but if you honestly think the OP put no effort into it at all when you made the comment then I guess you didn’t mean use excessive force, you’re just being condescending and internet tough.

I’ll drop the vehicle reference as you don’t seem to understand my examples.

And how is filing a part on a rifle not modifying it? Now I know you’re trolling. I agree the OkayShooter, you’re AB_Blaster/KiddX.

mod·i·fy
/ˈmädəˌfī/Submit
verb
make partial or minor changes to (something), typically so as to improve it or to make it less extreme.

fil·ing
/ˈfīliNG/Submit
noun
a small particle rubbed off by a file when smoothing or shaping something.

Sorry everyone for the bs, just can’t stand this persons posts.

Well you keep saying play has no effect on accuracy. That is one of the silliest things I've seen on the internet. An AR somehow plays by different rules than other rifles?

How come mine shoots much better with a simple piece of hockey tape rolled up and the upper/lower closed against it to take away the play? Oh, it's an xcr, totally different fundamentals again. My bad.

I think I'm gonna do a poll.. "my receiver is tight, will I get better accuracy if I file some clearance between them so there's wiggle room?"

Is this perhaps a top secret trick to coax more accuracy from these rifles? Loosen em up, run undersize pins, win matches!

If it ain't helping accuracy, it's hurting it. You can't tell me with a straight face battle rattle is beneficial towards accuracy. . . Well maybe you can. I deal with those types of people all the time.

And find me a gun smith without a set of wooden, leather and rubber mallets. And please tell me how a gentil smack of one such hammer is going to harm a firearm made of steel and aluminum. It'd sure have to be one hell of a beating... which is not what I was suggesting.

Still waiting for you to tell me what else could physically lock the upper and lower together besides a simple snug fit. Surely it wasn't beaten together with a sledge hammer so it can't be stuck too badly.

And I can see why you can't stand my posts.. because I call you out on yours?

 

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Well you keep saying play has no effect on accuracy. That is one of the silliest things I've seen on the internet. An AR somehow plays by different rules than other rifles?

How come mine shoots much better with a simple piece of hockey tape rolled up and the upper/lower closed against it to take away the play? Oh, it's an xcr, totally different fundamentals again. My bad.

I think I'm gonna do a poll.. "my receiver is tight, will I get better accuracy if I file some clearance between them so there's wiggle room?"

Is this perhaps a top secret trick to coax more accuracy from these rifles? Loosen em up, run undersize pins, win matches!

If it ain't helping accuracy, it's hurting it. You can't tell me with a straight face battle rattle is beneficial towards accuracy. . . Well maybe you can. I deal with those types of people all the time.

And find me a gun smith without a set of wooden, leather and rubber mallets. And please tell me how a gentil smack of one such hammer is going to harm a firearm made of steel and aluminum. It'd sure have to be one hell of a beating... which is not what I was suggesting.

Still waiting for you to tell me what else could physically lock the upper and lower together besides a simple snug fit. Surely it wasn't beaten together with a sledge hammer so it can't be stuck too badly.

And I can see why you can't stand my posts.. because I call you out on yours?

You win, sorry for trying to educate you. Obviously you know everything about the platform but don’t seem to own an AR.

I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong, but I know you didn’t even look up what I’m talking about. That’s the infuriating part, you won’t even check other sources to see what play in an AR does or doesn’t do to accuracy. You just keep arguing because you think you’re right. And you are correct about this, the AR platform is one of the few where the play doesn’t matter, most firearms need a tight fit to have improvements to accuracy. I am not saying the more play is has the more accurate will get either, I said the play doesn’t effect accuracy either way.

And you shouldn’t need a hammer or mallet. Shouldn’t have to smack the firearm at all. It should come apart by pulling on it, if it doesn’t it’s not to spec. Sorry for my examples filled with exaggeration, apparently they weren’t understood the way I wanted them to be. I have no idea what locked it together, but on a new rifle it’s not the end users issue to resolve. Arms East is taking care of it, which no one is surprised by because they seem to be good at this customer service thing, at least from what I’ve read around CGN.

 

[walks with loud stick]

You win, sorry for trying to educate you. Obviously you know everything about the platform but don’t seem to own an AR.

I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong, but I know you didn’t even look up what I’m talking about. That’s the infuriating part, you won’t even check other sources to see what play in an AR does or doesn’t do to accuracy. You just keep arguing because you think you’re right. And you are correct about this, the AR platform is one of the few where the play doesn’t matter, most firearms need a tight fit to have improvements to accuracy. I am not saying the more play is has the more accurate will get either, I said the play doesn’t effect accuracy either way.

And you shouldn’t need a hammer or mallet. Shouldn’t have to smack the firearm at all. It should come apart by pulling on it, if it doesn’t it’s not to spec. Sorry for my examples filled with exaggeration, apparently they weren’t understood the way I wanted them to be. I have no idea what locked it together, but on a new rifle it’s not the end users issue to resolve. Arms East is taking care of it, which no one is surprised by because they seem to be good at this customer service thing, at least from what I’ve read around CGN.

I'm actually quite a nerd, I've already gone down that rabbit hole. I didn't see too many tests that weren't narrated with constant umms, reminiscent of a turdo answering a tough question. None of these tests performed with methods or under conditions I would say represent accurate results, (Pun not intended) for or against tight/loose. These tests are inconclusive at best. For every one privingbthis, there's one proving that.

But so now that we both agree play is not going to be an advantage, it's only sensible that it's also possibly a disadvantage, even if some find the variance so minute it's irrelevant or even nonexistent others may find it drastic.
If one were attempting to build a long range precision semi auto, it would only be logical to take out all and any possible detractors.. like let's say you have an entire pile of upper and lowers to mic and match, you would probably pick the tightest set right.

You say these high dollar rifles that shoot so well are mostly attributed to the barrel.
So a barrel swap transforms any sloppy old gun into a laser? Of course not. There's more to it than the barrel alone. What else could it be? Mag well fit? Probably not. Colour matching upper/lower? Nah. Bcg coating? Uh uh. Charging handle? Prolly not.

So where does all that extra money go? What is the difference between a a poor shooter, or one with cycling issues beside the barrel.. probably a lot into the machining tolerances, precise figment. Though I admit I haven't handled a cheap ar in one hand and a high dollar in the other at one time to make back to back comparisons.

The notion that the AR platform is the one and only platform that is exempt from all laws regarding precision shooting is a little bazar to me.

And now back to my idea of filing the buffer tube to the correct angle. I wouldn't call it modifying because it is not modifying the design, it is correcting the tube to its designed spec. Just as I'd say shimming or adjusting the gas block to its correct position would not be a modification. If a had guard was loose and the owner tightened it, it would not be a modification.

I would call it a modification when making changes that bring it out of spec. I'd call it a repair when bringing it into spec.

I'd also have a hard time believing any company would void a warranty for such an adjustment.

"Sorry we can not warranty your rifles defective trigger assembly due to the fact you corrected the angle of your buffer tube" is just not something any credible or honest company is going to say. Profiling the tube to the correct angle is irrelevant to any other operation of the rifle beside the opening and closing, which would have resolved at least one persons issues.

Hell, if I sent you a rifle I assembled with this condion and you repaired it yourself, I'd thank you!

 

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