XCR vs Tayvor vs AR-10 vs swiss arms

Which would you spend the bucks on?

  • XCR w/6.8 kit

    Votes: 40 21.6%
  • TAYVOR 5.56mm

    Votes: 54 29.2%
  • AR-10 7.62 NATO

    Votes: 24 13.0%
  • swiss arms carbine

    Votes: 67 36.2%

  • Total voters
    185
As I said, the Tavor balances fine for me, but muzzle flip is an issue because the majority of the weight is at the back. I can get used to the squishy Glock like trigger, and I can probably get used to the increased muzzle flip, or at the worst case, put on some sort of comp, but I did find it stretched my double taps.

Of course,
YMMV,
so try it for yourself and see.
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To be honest - this poll is kinda meaningless becasue all these rifles are different.

Swiss arms (at least in the 21" version) is a pretty accurate rifle with factory test target - so you know what you are getting. The rifle is very tough and the workmanship is phenomenon. Howeve, it weights like an anchor for a 5.56. Adding anymore stuff on top you need a wagon to haul it.

The XCR is still new - I still don't have full confidence in it yet. They are a small company that fixes things as they go. Product is not mature. It is ok for a fun gun if you want something sturdier than an AR180 but do not want to shoot over the 3K price tag, and do not mind doing a bit betaing. Not enough users had reported high round count experience yet.

AR10 is a 7.62 - Armalite rifles look good and I did not have any problems with the one I had for the limited time. Between DPMS and Armalite, I probably will pick Armalite because Wolverine had been doing Aramlite for a long time, and they have spare parts to fix these rifles if things gone wrong. They are pretty decent performers in the accuracy department out of the box. THe new gen mag is supposed to fix some of the feeding problems.However, 3rd party accounts seem to indicate that this is not the rifle suitable for those intense tactical carbine courses due to durability issue ( in all fairness, this rifle was notdesigned for that kind of pounding or that kind of market in the first place).


TAVOR -I trusted that IWI will not produce anything that are utterly crap even though they have some difficulties in the beginning.. After playing with a few plastic bullpups and rifles before, I think TAVOR has probably condensed all the best features-light weight, good fire control location, etc. However, I do not believe the TAVOR will be as accurate as the AR or the swiss arms - based on my experience, sticking barrel trunions to plastic receivers is an ok practise for practical accuracy but it is no ultra accurate DMR. I don't prefer it but it is the 'new way" of rifle mass production. Of course, the Mepro21 is not something to write home above either. At least we know the IDF, the columbians and the Indians have beta-ed the hell out of this system already so in my book this is good to go. The ability to use the new 10 round LAR mag is a real advantage for day to day plinking to most folks.

I think you should consider an AR too. A quality AR is a light weight, reliable and accurate system. Many people are putting down the AR because it is very common ( want to be different from everyone else) or they see them everyday at work. However, most highly trained professionals seem to go with the AR systems regardless their homegrown SA80, FAMAS, G3 or whatnot.

IMHO, every one on CGN should have at least one swiss arms, one Tavor and one AR.
 
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What about the HKSL8? talking to ryan at wolverine it sounds like this one is a real tack driver. The only thing that makes me a bit nervous is how high off the barrel the rail is.
 
I would vote for the XCR . It is non resticted plus has the ability to change calibres and barrels. The Tavor is also a new design just like the xcr.

The TAVOR had been in trial for years. It finished the main trial by the IDF all the way back to 2002 and development work was started back in the late 90's.

The XCR on the other hand is an attempt to enter SCAR, but it was disqualified becasue robarm forgot to put the BFA in the test package - The rifle was never trialed by any organizations.

I am not putting the XCR down, it is a nice rifle but if you are looking for a miitary rifle it has not started the journey yet. It is like the AR180B, the mini 14, AR10, POF piston system, etc etc. They are good civilian rifles but they have not had enough R&D money to have the system proofed. THat's why we always hear little bugs popping up here and there with these civilan designs. As a result, things are being fixed as problems appear. Unfortunately, this is just the reality for smaller companies when their survival is based on getting the products out - it is a risky business and sometimes I do think that it is not a bad idea to put money into their pockets to reward their effort.
 
THANKS for your input guys. It really helped me make my decision.

I came up with the following (and spent the money)

1) buy a HK SL8-4 (already shipped), because I'm after the out of the box accuracy and the XCR isn't available to be bought right now and the tavyor sounds like it just isn't for me. Also sounds like the XCR has a few issues to figure out.

2) when the XCR comes out get one and order the 6.8 kit through a buddy in the states. and order a shim kit.
 
Maybe a more effective after market muzzle brake could be adapted to fit onto the Tavor?
Perhaps something like the SmithEnterprise unit?
http://www.smithenterprise.com/spec/5.56mm_Muzzle_Brake.pdf

As I said, the Tavor balances fine for me, but muzzle flip is an issue because the majority of the weight is at the back. I can get used to the squishy Glock like trigger, and I can probably get used to the increased muzzle flip, or at the worst case, put on some sort of comp, but I did find it stretched my double taps.

Of course,
YMMV,
so try it for yourself and see.
LAZ 1
 
Swiss Arms.

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hahaha... zing!

I voted XCR
The Tavor is still a little freaky for me... I like it, but would rather have at least one conventional rifle before going bullpup.
The AR-10 and the Swiss Arms are both restricted.
If you look at the poll, he is asking about the carbine... so... restricted.
Again, not a total deal killer, but if you only had one rifle, I would go non-restricted.
 
AR-10 .308 all the way.

Very common, proven reliable, parts-upgrades-ammo widely available, in the well understood AR family, etc, etc... So what if it's restricted, that didn't stop us from getting AR-15s!
 
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