What's the story on the BD-42(H) Marstar has for sale?

Sgt Striker

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I noticed they now have the BD-42(H) for sale and it looks basiclly like the MP44 but with a different gas system. Does any one know if this was just an early version of the Stg-44 or what's the story on it (I'm talking war time production that is...)

It's not mentioned on their web page yet, but it's in their Access to Firearms add.
 
Sgt Striker;
We will be putting the entire blurb on the site as soon as our inventory arrives.... They are late. Should arrive in about 10 days....
The BD-42 is a replica of the Mkb-42....
For those interested;
The German Sturmgewehr series of rifles.

Background:
The Germans had decided after WW-1 that their 7.92x57 cartridge was overly powerful for shoulder weapons.
They reached the conclusion that a cartridge with less ballistic potential than the 7.92x57 would be adequate and would result in shorter and lighter weapons, allowing the soldier to carry more ammunition, cause less fatigue from recoil and result in a considerable saving of material in the manufacture of propellants, cartridges cases and bullets.

RWS & Polte were given the contract in 1938 and produced the 7.9mm Infanterie Kurtz Patrone or the 7.92x33 cartridge.

To parallel the cartridge development Haenel was also awarded a contract in 1938 to develop a weapon for this cartridge. Hugo Schmeisser of Haenel produced a gas operated weapon for the cartridge and 50 specimens of this prototype by mid 1942.

Walther started development of a weapon for this cartridge in 1940 basing it upon that of an earlier semi automatic rifle of their conception, the GA115.

Both Haenel and Walther designs were produced in very limited quantities, only about 7,800 of each, they were designated Mkb-42(h) & Mkb-42(w) Both models were used extensively on the Russian front and the Haenel design proved to be far more reliable than that of Walther.

Differences Between the Mkb-42(h) and the MP-43;
The Haenel Mkb-42 is generally similar in internal design to the MP-43 series of rifles.

1) The piston of the Mkb-42(h) is longer than that of the MP-43 and is mounted in a separate tube divided by a visible air space above the barrel. In the MP-43 it rides in a tunnel immediately above the barrel.

2) There is a cut out for the bolt handle on the receiver of the Mkb-42(h) , not present on the MP-43.

3) Most Mkb-42(h) rifles have a bayonet lug, the MP-43 series does not have such a lug.

One will observe some minor differences in the stock, fittings etc.

CHARACTERISTICS OF THE MP-43, MP-43/1, MP-44, Stg-44 Rifles;
1) MP-43 and the MP-43/1 the only difference being that the MP-43 used a clamp-on grenade launcher whereas the MP-43/1 used a screw on version.

2) There is no apparent reason for the nomenclature change from MP-43/1 to MP-44. Most MP-43/1 have the V-type telescope mounting bracket on the right side of the receiver, some MP-44s have this bracket, but no MP-43s have been found with this bracket.

3) The change in nomenclature from MP-44 to Stg-44 would appear to have been politically inspired, the term “assault rifle” (Sturmgerwehr) is a more accurate description of this type of firearm.
 
As a bit of additional info, the MP43 was actually a combination of the two prototypes, with the trigger mechanism of the Mkb42(W) being used and virtually the entire remainder of the rifle coming from the Mkb42(H) design.
 
BATTLE RIFE;
I hate to argue with you BUT, the two MKb rifles are all but unique, most part do not interchange evne between them.... Let alone the Mp-43.

Please note the vast differences once they negan producing the Mp "family" of rifles, closed bolt, revering the barrel and gas tube, type of gas tube etc, etc....

Very different guns, we have both the originals and the repros and they are absolutely very different guns....

Just to make certain you can appreciate the differences perhaps we should "book you" for one of each (discount would apply) then you could conduct detailed studies over the next several years.
Best Regards
John
 
Sgt Striker;
Yes well, we could always transfer a couple to you and NOT tell anybody, just our little secret OK with you ??

On a more serious note, yes the next lot, which was delayed, should arrive this coming week, we are keeping our fingers crossed....
John
 
johnone said:
BATTLE RIFE;
I hate to argue with you BUT, the two MKb rifles are all but unique, most part do not interchange evne between them.... Let alone the Mp-43.

Please note the vast differences once they negan producing the Mp "family" of rifles, closed bolt, revering the barrel and gas tube, type of gas tube etc, etc....

Very different guns, we have both the originals and the repros and they are absolutely very different guns....

Just to make certain you can appreciate the differences perhaps we should "book you" for one of each (discount would apply) then you could conduct detailed studies over the next several years.
Best Regards
John
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Tragically, I do not have any actual samples in my safe to look at, so I must defer to those that do. I can only go by what my history books say.

As to that, all the ones that I have that mention it, say that the original Mkb-42(H) was an open-bolt, striker fired style, and the waffen office did not approve. The Mkb-42(W) on the other hand, while not as well liked, did have a reliable and relatively simple hammer-fired, closed bolt trigger system. So the waffen office had someone (not clear who) incorporate the W trigger into the H carbine. Not actually transplant any parts, mind you, just take the basic concept of how the parts relate and work them into the Haenel drawings.

Again, I don't know for sure, this is just what John Walter and Daniel Musgrave tell me.
 
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