Want to spend $4000 or more? Let me show you my STAG10

Ilove12gshotguns

Ilove12gshotguns

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Got my Stag 10 G.I and added the following

Magpul CTR stock
Magpul K1 grip
ADM Rcce QD mount
Trijicon TR24
BCM vert grip
Raptor charging handle
Five XCR pistol mags
Five ranger mag plates
Magpul MBUS Pro sights

I haven't even fired it yet, but I sure cant wait.

Just too damn could right now in Winnipeg at -35

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I never really understood the reason to spend that kind of money on a optic, for a rifle that you aren't doing anything that important with.

Not knocking you for doing it. Personally I would have diverted some of that money into a trigger and a better muzzle device.

I built mine and I'm into it for a little over $3600

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Not knocking you for doing it. Personally I would have diverted some of that money into a trigger and a better muzzle device.#
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I will share my thought process.

Glass for me is always number one priority, and spending $1200 on optics to get my preferred setup is not even a question for me. As for the trigger my line of work has me using milspec triggers constantly, and I have become almost biased towards them.

I absolutely despise anything like a bipod, or heavy flash light hanging off my rifle. I find it makes the muzzle much to heavy and hard to hold on target.

I prefer a collapsible stock over hard mounted. I will be hunting in November and the amount of heavy clothing one wears requires the use of a carbine stock.

As for hunting, I do not use hearing protection for that "one" shot. I do for target obviously, but you won't find me out in the woods wearing orange with ear pro on. The use of a muzzle break would destroy my ears.

Let me explain why I prefer 4x magnification. It all about what you are comfortable shooting iron sights at, for me this is 150m. I also do not shoot big game at over 500m.

4 x 150m = 600m

This more then enough magnification for me.

To you it is a rifle that is not doing anything important, but to me it is the PERFECT hunting rig. I can push Bush at 1x or take those long shots with confidence out to 500m, not have to worry about a negligent discharge, and with little fear of bleeding from my ears.


Cheers
 
I had a Stag AR-15 years ago and will agree they have a very nice factory trigger. That lower had the nicest factory "milspec" trigger I've ever used.

Totally agree on spending the money on optics over a brake or trigger, especially if it's to be a hunting rifle.
Everyone here gets so caught up trying to make their ARish rifles into long range precision rifles and then complains they are too heavy (most never shoot past 200 yards either). Your approach is much more practical and useful in the real world away from the shooting benches and paper targets.

Not sure I agree with shooting at an animal at 500 yards with a 308 but that's your choice, if you're comfortable shooting that far on an animal then who am I to judge. I wouldn't do it myself but maybe if I had more time practicing at those distances I'd be more comfortable with it. I've seen how little energy a 308 has at 1000 yards, it wasn't impressive so I like to keep my hunting shots as short as possible.

I like the comment on not doing anything important. I would say the opposite, shooting targets at the range is not doing anything important, taking game to put meat on the table is a much better use of a rifle.

Nice rifle, looking forward to the range report.

$4000? That's child's play :cheers:
Lucky for me I bought it used and didn't pay nearly as much as the build sheet came up with.
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Sightron 3-16x42 scope chosen because I know Sightron quality is higher than it's price lets on and being a x42 keeps the weight and the size down so it's better in the field yet still has enough magnification for the days I spend doing load development.
 

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Not sure I agree with shooting at an animal at 500 yards with a 308 but that's your choice, if you're comfortable shooting that far on an animal then who am I to judge. I wouldn't do it myself but maybe if I had more time practicing at those distances I'd be more comfortable with it. I've seen how little energy a 308 has at 1000 yards
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I agree with you almost 100%. I do think that a 308 will kill deer out to 500m ethically. Heck, I am almost certain that a baseball thrown at a deer would kill it, so a 308 at that range should be easy.

Everything else bigger like an Elk, Moose, or bear would be inside 350 - 400.

Also have to mention that weather will obviously take a toll. The 500m is a "best case" scenario, and anything degrading that would simply cut down on the range.

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Ilove12gshotguns said:
I agree with you almost 100%. I do think that a 308 will kill deer out to 500m ethically. Heck, I am almost certain that a baseball thrown at a deer would kill it, so a 308 at that range should be easy.

Everything else bigger like an Elk, Moose, or bear would be inside 350 - 400.

Also have to mention that weather will obviously take a toll. The 500m is a "best case" scenario, and anything degrading that would simply cut down on the range.

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Fair enough,
Like I said, if you're comfortable then who am I to judge. You know your ability better than I do.
I just really hate chasing a wounded animal.

My concerns with distance and terminal energy come from an afternoon at 1100 yards shooting expired 20lb propane (BBQ) tanks. At that distance the 308 would only dent the tank but my 338 Lapua would shred it like a coke can that was hit by a 308 at 100 yards. I realize that 500 is nothing like 1100 yards but I still have concerns with animals that far away when not using something with more jam like a 300win or more. I guess my concerns were also created by listening to peoples stories on this site. Many guys think they're a lot better shooter than they actually are and also don't think there is any difference between shooting 500 off a table at paper and shooting at a deer off a log or stump. Many people also forget about energy and velocity at distance. Like the guys that buy the 6.5 Grendel thinking it's a great hunting round. Well at the velocities you get from that cartridge there are not a lot of 6.5mm projectiles designed to properly expand at the velocity the bullet will be hitting the animal. Sure, it's a very accurate round that stays supersonic past 1000 yards but there's little energy at those velocities.
 
honestly the only bullet I would trust from 0-500 yards(more like 300yards personaly,) would be a 180 nosler grain balistic tip. sure your ultra magnums would reach out further(energy wise) but with a bullet that would open up at distance your not gonna want to shooting anything within 100yards. I have a 1.5-5 leupold vx3 on my sako black bear .30-06, I was shooting out to 330 yards(300meters) and it was a typical 20-40kmh gusty day.... thats like5-10" or more of random wind drift....the 5x magnification is not the handicap.

Oh I wonder if any of the Concussion reduction devices would be a benifit in hunting situations???

So are the pistol mags good to go in the stag? For me reliabile mags/rifle is everything. Most of my parts are on the way for my stag upper/lower set. Just have to decide what butstock, and optic setup im going with.

So far mine is looking like:

A2flash hider(with locking nut) $20usd
Ibi .750 profile 19" .308 barrel. $489CAD
slr clamp on(set screws are retarded) adjustable gas block... 120usd
Whatever gas tube fits(have a varaity on order)??.... $30
MI 12" 308 ss high handguaurd 209usd
Brownells BCG $125 usd
Dpms .308 milspec carbine buffer tube assembly $109CAD
Stag 10 upper/lower $699

So yeah about $2000+-
 
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That's a big boy you got there, should perform great at long distance.

As for pistol mags, I dont know. Haven't even got it out the the range yet, to cold here in Winnipeg to go shooting this weekend, I will let you know the following.

Yes, wind is the limiting factor when shooting game at distance. The key is limiting the range for the weather at the time of the shot. If its windy or gusty, or visibility is down then NO I will keep it at a more reasonable distance. If the deer is sitting in an open field, with knee high grass to judge wind around 5km or less then YES he is going down.
 
Ilove12gshotguns said:
I will share my thought process.

Glass for me is always number one priority, and spending $1200 on optics to get my preferred setup is not even a question for me. As for the trigger my line of work has me using milspec triggers constantly, and I have become almost biased towards them.

I absolutely despise anything like a bipod, or heavy flash light hanging off my rifle. I find it makes the muzzle much to heavy and hard to hold on target.

I prefer a collapsible stock over hard mounted. I will be hunting in November and the amount of heavy clothing one wears requires the use of a carbine stock.

As for hunting, I do not use hearing protection for that "one" shot. I do for target obviously, but you won't find me out in the woods wearing orange with ear pro on. The use of a muzzle break would destroy my ears.

Let me explain why I prefer 4x magnification. It all about what you are comfortable shooting iron sights at, for me this is 150m. I also do not shoot big game at over 500m.

4 x 150m = 600m

This more then enough magnification for me.

To you it is a rifle that is not doing anything important, but to me it is the PERFECT hunting rig. I can push Bush at 1x or take those long shots with confidence out to 500m, not have to worry about a negligent discharge, and with little fear of bleeding from my ears.


Cheers
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I built mine to shoot off a bench, because that's really all I can do around here. So weight wasn't an issue for me. I totally understand the reason for a lighter rifle though if you're carrying it around.

My thing is the $1200 scope... I don't see the need, but if it works for you then that's all the matters.
 
With all you have invested in up front upgrades, I hope you don't have any function issues when you actually go out and shoot the rifle.
 
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I built mine to shoot off a bench, because that's really all I can do around here. So weight wasn't an issue for me. I totally understand the reason for a lighter rifle though if you're carrying it around.

My thing is the $1200 scope... I don't see the need, but if it works for you then that's all the matters.
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If you're only shooting 300 yards or less you can get by with a cheaper scope but when you start to look at targets at 500 yards or more the quality of the glass really shows you where your money went.
I would have a hard time spending over $1000 on a 1-4 or 1-6 but when it comes to a 4-16 or 6-24 it's a lot easier to justify. That being said I do own an Elcan Specter DR 1-4 and at $2400 or whatever they are selling for these days I can tell you that it's very hard to quantify until you look through it back to back with a Bushnell or other cheap scope to really understand.
I was at the range one day with my PWS and the Elcan and a guy there wanted to try it so I traded him rifles. His rifle had a Bushnell AR 1-4 and after one magazine I put his on the table and watched as he ran a few mags through my rifle. He couldn't get over how clear the image was and how much better he could aim with it.

I guess you would have a hard time wrapping your head around my $900 Aimpoint dot sight :p

Since I started using quality optics I've become a bit of an optics snob. Even my 17HMR and 22WMR rifles have $800+ optics on them.
To me your glass should cost as much as the rifle in many cases. But I like to shoot long range when I get a chance so any rifle I have that could potentially be shot at 300+ yards gets a quality optic.
I think the cheapest scope I own now is a $400 Leupold. Oh wait, I do still have an old Bushnell Banner 3-9x32 on my cheap M14 that is surprisingly good considering how crappy it is.
 
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