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Just got my receivers back cerakoted in Tungsten. Looks good, thanks S&J Hardware. Gonna probably upgrade parts here and there as time goes on.

Receivers 1000$
Cerakote 75$
Faxon BBL, Odin bcg and adjustable gas block 500$
Lpk, buffer from Norc ar15 free
Radian Charging Handle 100$
ALG trigger 100$
Stock MFT Chinese Clone 20$
Brake MDT Black Friday Special 25$
Mount Chinese Has Geissele on it lol. 50$
Scope from EE 350$
HandGuard eBay 50$

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Looks good but the first thing I'd do is get rid of the Norinco trigger parts. ALG ACT trigger is about $100 and is a really nice budget upgrade.
ALG is a child company of Geissele so no worries about quality. THE ACT is their advanced combat trigger and is nickel boron coated and is a single stage that comes with 2 hammer springs to adjust trigger pull slightly and also in case you get some ammo with hard primers and need a little more force to ignite them.

Looking forward to seeing how it shoots.
Are you handloading or buying factory loads?
 
Yes...100 yard deer gun. Just looking up loads as we speak. I have a ton of 6.5 bullets from 100 grain up to 140. Thinking 120 grains as fast as I can move em in the Grendel

Powder suggestions? Seems most of what I have gives speeds on the low end, was hoping for 2500 ish
 
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Shooter1971 said:
Yes...100 yard deer gun. Just looking up loads as we speak. I have a ton of 6.5 bullets from 100 grain up to 140. Thinking 120 grains as fast as I can move em in the Grendel

Powder suggestions? Seems most of what I have gives speeds on the low end, was hoping for 2500 ish
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I've never loaded for the Grendel but it looks like you're going to have to drop to 100 grain projectiles to hit 2500fps.
This is exactly what I was saying when the Grendel first came out and everyone wanted it for their non restricted ARish hunting rifle. It's a fantastic long range cartridge but it doesn't have the velocity to ensure clean kills on deer size game. There are very few 6.5 projectiles that are designed to expand properly at lower velocities and since your muzzle velocity is only around 2400 I'm really glad to hear you say it's going to be a 100 yard deer gun.

I look at all the cartridges like this the same, the 300BLK, 6.8SPC, 7.62x39 and others that stick a big bullet in a small case so it fits in an AR action, they were designed to outperform the 5.56x45 cartridge in a certain area but there is always a trade-off and the designers were not trying to make a better hunting cartridge. If the trade-off in velocity still leaves your projectile at a velocity where it can do it's job you're good but if you push the distance out too far and lose some more velocity you may end up chasing a wounded animal for hours.

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle

I'd probably go with 8208 XBR, pretty temp stable and usually not too hard to find.


Shooter1971 said:
Handloads...

It is an ALG trigger, just remembered when you mentioned it
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I see it now that I look closer :)
 
Ya...it's will be short range only when hunting.
I have a stag 10 in 6.5 creed so really may never even bother. It is nice and light though.

Barnes ttsx see to be a popular choice as a hunt bullet
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I've never loaded for the Grendel but it looks like you're going to have to drop to 100 grain projectiles to hit 2500fps.
This is exactly what I was saying when the Grendel first came out and everyone wanted it for their non restricted ARish hunting rifle. It's a fantastic long range cartridge but it doesn't have the velocity to ensure clean kills on deer size game. There are very few 6.5 projectiles that are designed to expand properly at lower velocities and since your muzzle velocity is only around 2400 I'm really glad to hear you say it's going to be a 100 yard deer gun.

I look at all the cartridges like this the same, the 300BLK, 6.8SPC, 7.62x39 and others that stick a big bullet in a small case so it fits in an AR action, they were designed to outperform the 5.56x45 cartridge in a certain area but there is always a trade-off and the designers were not trying to make a better hunting cartridge. If the trade-off in velocity still leaves your projectile at a velocity where it can do it's job you're good but if you push the distance out too far and lose some more velocity you may end up chasing a wounded animal for hours.

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle

I'd probably go with 8208 XBR, pretty temp stable and usually not too hard to find.




I see it now that I look closer :)
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Shooter1971 said:
Ya...it's will be short range only when hunting.
I have a stag 10 in 6.5 creed so really may never even bother. It is nice and light though.

Barnes ttsx see to be a popular choice as a hunt bullet
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If it isn't published somewhere I would contact the bullet manufacturer and ask them for information about what the minimum velocity the bullet will expand. I've seen it from some manufacturers but not all publish it.
What I decided on was to use A-max projectiles in my 300BLK, the thinner jacket should help with expansion. I know it's not designed to expand and may break apart or not expand at all but I know a few guys that have used A-max on animals with success. I haven't actually shot a deer with the 300BLK yet though so can't say for sure. I laughed when my buddy said A is for animal so use them.

I'd really like to see what the Grendel can do out past 500 yards. It sounds like a fantastic 1000 yard cartridge, low recoil, accurate, hardly uses any powder (compared to other 1000 yard capable cartridges), what's not to like :)
 
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A 100gr partition at 2700+fps would probably be good deer medicine out to 200. Kinda light for 6.5cal, but for deer size game it shouldn't matter.
 
I'm getting 2780 with a 95 Vmax, 2700 with 108 Scenar and 2575 with 120 Scenar out of a 20" IBI barreled SLR. Accuracy is second to none. I've got the two volume Grendel loading books from 65grendel.com and they are excellent. There is a ton of terminal ballistic data for various hunting bullets shot into gel at reduced velocity to simulate downrange. You can then figure out what you're going to get on game based on your loads and barrel length. They do ship to Canada, send the guy a message for shipping rate, the website has some convoluted stuff for international shipping.
 
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using the right bullet, the grendel is a 400 yard deer rifle. BC is going to be more important than MV

I'm stoked to get some more loads tested
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I think you're wrong on that one.
I think the cartridge easily has the range to hit a target out that far accurately but that's a lot of vertical correction for a shot in the field where ranging and getting the shot off needs to be done in a short time and also ensure a first shot cold bore hit. At a range where perfect placement of the first shot is not as important it's no problem but when an animal is in the crosshairs it's not that simple.
With a 120 class bullet, a 2500fps MV, and a 200 yard zero you have approximately 25 inches of drop at 400 yards, velocity has dropped to around 2000fps and there is just over 1000 ft-lb of energy remaining. That to me is not a good deer rifle for 400 yards. To me it's the absolute minimum and there is a good chance that you'll be chasing a wounded deer through the forest if you don't place that first shot perfectly.
 
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You guys have not seen the Grendel work it will do the job at 400, but have you guys could not get the job done with a .308!
 
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I think you're wrong on that one.
I think the cartridge easily has the range to hit a target out that far accurately but that's a lot of vertical correction for a shot in the field where ranging and getting the shot off needs to be done in a short time and also ensure a first shot cold bore hit. At a range where perfect placement of the first shot is not as important it's no problem but when an animal is in the crosshairs it's not that simple.
With a 120 class bullet, a 2500fps MV, and a 200 yard zero you have approximately 25 inches of drop at 400 yards, velocity has dropped to around 2000fps and there is just over 1000 ft-lb of energy remaining. That to me is not a good deer rifle for 400 yards. To me it's the absolute minimum and there is a good chance that you'll be chasing a wounded deer through the forest if you don't place that first shot perfectly.
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Certainly you should work within your own limits.

If you haven't done much shooting, don't know how your bullet performs at distance, don't know how to compensate for bullet drop or wind drift and are not confident in your ability to make a clean kill shot on an animal, you shouldn't take the shot.
 
Bullet drop is easily adjusted for in 2019. I put my SLR Grendel +2" @ 100y, ranged a 460 yard target with my SIG Kilo2400, dialed up turret to required MOA of bullet drop, and put 4/5 shots inside 3" group, which landed 2" low of center of the target. The Nosler 129gr ABLR looks like the Grendel deer bullet of choice, with its low impact expansion window of 1300 fps (800y in Grendel). 400y will kill deer all day long if you can place your shot in the vitals
 
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