Masai Mara anyone heard of them?

[dmcdam]

I get what you're both saying, but there's probably a lot of people out there who refuse to believe there's only 3 companies on the planet who have figured out how to make a good shotgun.

 

[3macs1]

I get what you're both saying, but there's probably a lot of people out there who refuse to believe there's only 3 companies on the planet who have figured out how to make a good shotgun.

No you don't. If you did you would not be STILL looking for support for your decision
But hey to each their own it is your money
Cheers

 

[dmcdam]

No you don't. If you did you would not be STILL looking for support for your decision
Cheers

Um, I'm not the OP and I haven't decided anything. Not looking for your support either.

What I think you're missing here is that everyone values different things when making buying decisions. It's like saying everyone should buy a Honda or Toyota because they last the longest and their motors are bullet-proof. It's mostly true, but longevity is only one factor in a decision of what to drive.

 

[3macs1]

Um, I'm not the OP and I haven't decided anything. Not looking for your support either.

What I think you're missing here is that everyone values different things when making buying decisions. It's like saying everyone should buy a Honda or Toyota because they last the longest and their motors are bullet-proof. It's mostly true, but longevity is only one factor in a decision of what to drive.

I know you are not the OP but assumed you were interested in one from your post

I quote
Heard back from O'Dell last night about the Masai
I am not missing anything . I figured it out a long time ago that life is too short to own cheap ugly guns
Like I said to each their own
Cheers

 

[dmcdam]

I know you are not the OP but assumed you were interested in one from your post

I quote
Heard back from O'Dell last night about the Masai
I am not missing anything . I figured it out a long time ago that life is too short to own cheap ugly guns
Like I said to each their own
Cheers

I'm interested enough to want to find out more, yes. I don't think these guns are ugly at all (that's an A5 for me), and any assumption that they're cheap isn't based on any actual knowlege or the gun itself but rather, what you think about other guns.

 

[3macs1]

I'm interested enough to want to find out more, yes. I don't think these guns are ugly at all (that's an A5 for me), and any assumption that they're cheap isn't based on any actual knowlege or the gun itself but rather, what you think about other guns.

More like what I know right now. Lets see my four browning golds as one example are now all between 27 -25 years old and work/ look like the day they were bought
Get that out this Masai and then I will be impressed. I have a sa08 and an akkar pump also so have something from there to compare against Bought only because they were both 28ga
Cheers

 

[Falconflyer]

I get what you're both saying, but there's probably a lot of people out there who refuse to believe there's only 3 companies on the planet who have figured out how to make a good shotgun.

Most people do believe that there's more than 3 companies out there that make good shotguns but guns originating from Turkey have proven themselves to be a mix of good and bad so no one without first hand experience with Masai Mara is going to stick their neck out and endorse them. Simple as that!
A lot of us have taken chances on new products in the past and sometimes it worked out well and sometimes it hasn't and we've passed that knowledge on, this is your chance to join the group!

 

[dmcdam]

More like what I know right now. Lets see my four browning golds as one example are now all between 27 -25 years old and work/ look like the day they were bought
Get that out this Masai and then I will be impressed. I have a sa08 and an akkar pump also so have something from there to compare against Bought only because they were both 28ga
Cheers

It wouldn't take 25-27 years of service out of a gun for me to be impressed, particularly if the price point is a lot less than a B gun. All that's known about the Masai so far is the country of origin. That isn't enough for me to say it's junk. I'm old enough to remember when everything made in Japan was thought of as garbage.

 

[dmcdam]

Most people do believe that there's more than 3 companies out there that make good shotguns but guns originating from Turkey have proven themselves to be a mix of good and bad so no one without first hand experience with Masai Mara is going to stick their neck out and endorse them. Simple as that!
A lot of us have taken chances on new products in the past and sometimes it worked out well and sometimes it hasn't and we've passed that knowledge on, this is your chance to join the group!

I haven't bought anything yet, and still may end up with a B gun at the end of it all. Like I said, I want to know more about these guns and that's as far as I've taken it.

Not endorsing something is much different than saying buying anything else is a mistake. That's like saying you should only buy a Toyota because it's a Toyota and others are not.

 

[Falconflyer]

I haven't bought anything yet, and still may end up with a B gun at the end of it all. Like I said, I want to know more about these guns and that's as far as I've taken it.

Not endorsing something is much different than saying buying anything else is a mistake. That's like saying you should only buy a Toyota because it's a Toyota and others are not.

I haven't read where many people have said that. Most of us are simply pointing out that most people are better off going with a product that's proven rather than one that isn't.

 

[dmcdam]

I haven't read where many people have said that. Most of us are simply pointing out that most people are better off going with a product that's proven rather than one that isn't.

Well posts calling them a 'waste of time' or, 'can't believe anyone would buy one when you could get a used b gun...' are pretty definitive in their condemnation.

 

[3macs1]

It wouldn't take 25-27 years of service out of a gun for me to be impressed, particularly if the price point is a lot less than a B gun. All that's known about the Masai so far is the country of origin. That isn't enough for me to say it's junk. I'm old enough to remember when everything made in Japan was thought of as garbage.

I missed that memo. LOL Bought my first honda mower and snowblower in 1985 and never looked back. Both are still being used and both have had many babies over the years
Yes I love honda Every small engine I own is honda from generator to string trimmer

I say again to each their own
Cheers

 

[dmcdam]

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I missed that memo. LOL Bought my first honda mower and snowblower in 1985 and never looked back. Both are still being used and both have had many babies over the years
Yes I love honda Every small engine I own is honda from generator to string trimmer

I say again to each their own
Cheers

Post war and up to the mid 70's, Japan's reputation was for cheap but inferior labour. Then in the late 70's to early 80's, their tech sector exploded and name like Sony suddenly became synonymous with quality to the point their TV's were fetching huge premiums over other brands.

You aren't wrong on your small motors.

 

[gunsaholic]

It wouldn't take 25-27 years of service out of a gun for me to be impressed, particularly if the price point is a lot less than a B gun. All that's known about the Masai so far is the country of origin. That isn't enough for me to say it's junk. I'm old enough to remember when everything made in Japan was thought of as garbage.

I remember this opinion by the general public very well. When I was a boy, I remember very well comments made by many many adults about "damn Japanese junk" to the point that even as a child, if I saw "made in Japan" on the bottom of a toy I would think it was likely junk. These opinions were still with the public when I started in a Chrysler dealership in my late teens in the 70's. Japanese vehicles were thought of as junk even though there were a number of them around with 150, 000 miles or more on them. They might not of had a body left but they were still running strong. Same thing is happening today, only in this scenario it is Turkey and guns. Lots of Turkish guns out there from the past that had issues. Also lots of people using them with no issues. Some are made to a higher quality than others depending on the price point the particular retailer wants. Is the gun in question in this thread of the higher quality and reliability? At this point no one knows but it likely shouldn't be written off yet. There are several owners shooting Turkish made double barrels in the $1200.00 to $2000.00 range that are very pleased with them while others wouldn't even give them a thought because of previously formed opinions. Only after reviews come in about guns that have seen actual use will we know. Wouldn't it be something if the gun in question turns out to be as good, or even very close to a B gun in reliability! And we will not know that if no one buys them.

 

[MK2750]

A couple of interesting things I noticed when researching Retay. It shows pictures of a modern factory but they are renditions not actual photographs. Is this the actual factory or part of the sales pitch?

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[dmcdam]

A couple of interesting things I noticed when researching Retay. It shows pictures of a modern factory but they are renditions not actual photographs. Is this the actual factory or part of the sales pitch?

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Sales pitch I'd imagine. The location on the overhead photo available on their website looks like a white building, but not that nice. Maybe it's their future plan for the offices if the North American sales strategy is a hit.

 

[dmcdam]

Retay distribution for the US being handled by a company (Thomas Ferney) that specializes in high end custom guns and accessories. Hopefully this means they wouldn't risk their name pushing crappy guns onto the market.

 

[Falconflyer]

Well posts calling them a 'waste of time' or, 'can't believe anyone would buy one when you could get a used b gun...' are pretty definitive in their condemnation.

Fair enough, but as I've already mentioned, most people will recommend against them just based on the hit and miss history of Turkish guns in general. Go buy one and prove every one wrong if you want.

 

[Falconflyer]

Retay distribution for the US being handled by a company (Thomas Ferney) that specializes in high end custom guns and accessories. Hopefully this means they wouldn't risk their name pushing crappy guns onto the market.

Weatherby, who's name is generally associated with higher quality has risked their name on Turkish guns and has gotten mixed results.

 

[dmcdam]

Weatherby, who's name is generally associated with higher quality has risked their name on Turkish guns and has gotten mixed results.

The Weatherby's don't seem to get a lot of love, that's true. Yet every review and most threads I read about them seem to have a lot of good to say. Particularly from a value for money standpoint.