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Hi all,
I store my CZ Shadow in a pistol safe in my bedroom. There is a trigger lock on it as well. I store the mags with it in there too. They are loaded but not in the pistol. Is this legal or not? The laws aren’t the easiest to interpret. I’m thinking its fine, but just looking for some feedback from the gun guru’s. If it’s grey area, I’ll store the mags elsewhere.
Thanks
 
The Storage, &c., Regulations (SOR/98-209), in the Interpretation:

unloaded, in respect of a firearm, means that any propellant, projectile or cartridge that can be discharged from the firearm is not contained in the breech or firing chamber of the firearm nor in the cartridge magazine attached to or inserted into the firearm.
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You don't have a round chambered, and you don't have rounds in the built-in magazine [not applicable], and you don't have rounds in the detachable mag. which is also inserted in the firearm.

Rounds in a detachable mag. *NOT* inserted in the firearm do not counter this definition. Therefore, you are ‘unloaded’ as per the Reg.s.
 
The only grey area , maybe?,is that it says, a safe that is specially constructed for firearms.
So , is a safe you purchased at Walmart, specifically designed for firearms?
 
easyrider604 said:
It is legal to store unloaded handguns without trigger lock, together with loaded magazines, in a container or box that is legally a “safe”.
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I have a Sentry safe that has both a combination lock and key. I suck at opening combination locks so I always leave it on day-lock and just lock it with the key. Because of this I also keep trigger locks on my handguns, as a second lock, but am not really sure if it’s required or not.
 
Brianma65 said:
The only grey area , maybe?,is that it says, a safe that is specially constructed for firearms.
So , is a safe you purchased at Walmart, specifically designed for firearms?
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There is an "or" in there after safe and before the room description.
There is a president on safes in law. Since a safe wasn't defined specifically in the firearms act, the general legal description applies. 6 metal sides and a lock is all that's required. (The case that decided this was for prohibited storage of automatics that were in old lockers.)
 
Brianma65 said:
The only grey area , maybe?,is that it says, a safe that is specially constructed for firearms.
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It doesn't say that; it says:

1. A vault [a fortified room, basically],

2. a safe [a locking metal box, basically],

OR

3. a room specifically constructed or modified.

[Put racks, drawers, and so on for pistols, a standard residential room is now specifically modified for the Storage of Restricted Firearms. Put a deadbolt on the door, a standard residential room is now specifically modified for security. The two modifications together satisfy the requirement.]
 
red_bailey said:
It doesn't say that; it says:

1. A vault [a fortified room, basically],

2. a safe [a locking metal box, basically],

OR

3. a room specifically constructed or modified.

[Put racks, drawers, and so on for pistols, a standard residential room is now specifically modified for the Storage of Restricted Firearms. Put a deadbolt on the door, a standard residential room is now specifically modified for security. The two modifications together satisfy the requirement.]
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Sure it does, B) 11.
That’s from the firearms act, not the rcmp site.
I’m not saying what’s right or wrong.
But is a safe purchased at Walmart, specifically designed or modified, for firearm storage?
Opposed to safe sold at CT, that says it’s specifically for firearms.

As I said, I’m not sure, but my safe sits in a locked gun room.
 
NLGunner said:
...I store the mags with it in there too. They are loaded but not in the pistol...
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Yes, terminology aside, what you describe is legal.

Your magazines are either 'charged' or 'uncharged', your pistol is either 'loaded' or 'unloaded'. When you're ready to shoot, you'll probably place a 'charged' magazine into your 'unloaded' pistol, the act of which will make your pistol 'loaded'.

Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations (SOR/98-209)
<https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/index.html>

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Brianma65 said:
Sure it does, B) 11.
That’s from the firearms act, not the rcmp site.
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What you are quoting, Section 6(b)(ii) of the Storage Regulations under the Firearms Act (which I linked to), does not say:

1. A vault that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure Storage of Restricted Firearms and that is kept securely locked,

2. A safe specifically constructed […],

or

3. A room specifically modified […]

The way to read the list is as I already said:

1. A vault [full stop],

2. A safe [full stop],

OR

3. A room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure Storage of Restricted Firearms and that is kept securely locked.

(This is supported by case Law, which held that school lockers, i.e., a locking metal box, qualify as a ‘safe’ for the Regulations.)
 
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