.22 LR: why none with Ballistic tip like .17 HMR

So if the velocity and bullet composition of a 22LR doesn't make sense for a ballistic tip, why do they exist in air rifle pellets?

Reading the patent for air rifle pellets sheds some light on that :)

"Tip portions are employed in three different configurations including a hollow and solid heads. The hard tip in each of the pellets enables the pellet when fired from an air gun to pierce the fur and skin of small game animals, for example, before the lead portions of the head and skirt portions begin to deform, imparting shock to the surrounding soft tissue, and shattering bone."

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20020100389

Ok, you guys are gonna have to walk me through this...

What’s the danger of a pointy plastic tip in a RIMfire tube? What am I missing?

You're not missing anything. Other folks, however, seem to be mixing up the sentiment that BT's are not suitable for use in hard recoiling, tube-fed centerfires, and mistakenly applying it to a mild recoiling rimfire.
 
So if the velocity and bullet composition of a 22LR doesn't make sense for a ballistic tip, why do they exist in air rifle pellets?

Plastic tip pellets are a gimmick to sell pellets to airgunners who don't know that they are not as good for accuracy as round nosed pellets, especially as distance increases. There are various shapes and head configurations in airgun pellets and most pellets are comparatively accurate at shorter ranges. In 10m airgun competition, for example, flat nose pellets are used because they punch clean, round holes and as a result are easier to score. Other designs, such as "pointy" pellets and hollow points are less accurate than the standard round nose pellets and this becomes more and more important as distance increases.

In any event, with the relatively slow speeds of airgun pellets, its doubtful that a plastic tip on a hunting pellet makes a significant difference in pellet expansion upon striking quarry at longer ranges.

Ok, you guys are gonna have to walk me through this...

What’s the danger of a pointy plastic tip in a RIMfire tube? What am I missing?

A mistaken intuitive fear about really pointy tips being dangerous in a rimfire rifle tube magazine may lie in the concern that sharp points may be like firing pins on rimfire ammo. Of course the primer is in the rim of the rimfire round and the danger is more imagined than real.

If a .22LR bullet were to be modified in the manufacturing process to be tipped with a synthetic tip, perhaps that would result in either a longer cartridge or a lighter bullet, which may not be desirable. Does the shape of a bullet affect its cycling in a semi-auto? I don't know. For whatever reason, there aren't any "ballistic tip" .22LR or even Stinger rounds available, are there? It's certainly not because no one at the ammo makers never considered the idea.
 
Ballistic tip is a nosler trade mark and bullet. There is not a single ballistic tip loaded in any rim fire that I'm aware of. Plastic tipped bullets are seldom ballistic tips.

For clarification, the "tips" of Nosler ballistic tip bullets are made of hard plastic polymer. Hornady, which makes a large segment of the 17HMR ammo available, has the "V-Max" bullet with a polymer tip. They don't specifically call it a "ballistic tip" bullet, but it is a polymer (plastic) tipped rimfire bullet.
 
Ok, you guys are gonna have to walk me through this...

What’s the danger of a pointy plastic tip in a RIMfire tube? What am I missing?

Hey kodiakjack~imagine on a centerfire rifle...pointed rounds stacked end-to-end in a tube magazine, under the spring pressure of the follower. The fear/concern is that when a heavy-recoiling rifle (ie, 45-70) goes off, COULD the point of one round set-off the round ahead of it? It's also the reason why centerfire ammo for use in tube-mags usually has truncated bullets, and the bullets themselves are crimped. (can't easily seat themselves deeper in the case when they smack against each other during recoil). I've never given any of that a whole lot of thought, and ammo like Hornady's LeverEvolution kind of flies in the face of that concern. lol However, I recently added a 45-70 to the collection, and am learning a fair bit about this stuff as I'm setting-up to reload for it.

One sort of common thread I see on gun forums is this~guys with a super-keen interest/lots of experience with a wide variety of calibers (often reloaders) suggesting more obscure calibers like 22 Hornet or "loading down" a heavier caliber like .223. I try to avoid giving this advice, because even AS a reloader...I'm far more inclined to add a different/common caliber to the collection that does the job better...than I am to start messing with hand loads and all the variables/scope zeroing that comes with that process. The advice isn't bad, just not advice anyone ever seems to take! lol (myself included, and I'm set-up for it)

All ^ that said, I've actually wondered the same about plastic-tipped/hollow point 22LR ammo before...but between the 17 rimfires and 22WMR loads that offer this, I'm more than content with available/factory 22LR ammo options...and if I need the kind of dramatic expansion a big hollow-point offers, I simply add them with my Waltz die.
 
The velocity is too low, rimfire twist is too slow to generate the centerfugal force needed for rapid expansion.

Hmm...that's interesting. I never made the connection between the "frangible" effect of a bullet and the rate at which the bullet is spinning. I assumed it was all hydrodynamics. (=goo entering the void of a thin-walled HP at high speed, ripping itself apart) I have read that too high a rate of twist with a fast-moving, poorly chosen bullet can result in the bullet coming apart in flight. Makes sense.

Not being a smart-a**...I never actually considered that. Thanks!
 
Plastic tip pellets are a gimmick to sell pellets to airgunners who don't know that they are not as good for accuracy as round nosed pellets, especially as distance increases. There are various shapes and head configurations in airgun pellets and most pellets are comparatively accurate at shorter ranges. In 10m airgun competition, for example, flat nose pellets are used because they punch clean, round holes and as a result are easier to score. Other designs, such as "pointy" pellets and hollow points are less accurate than the standard round nose pellets and this becomes more and more important as distance increases.

In any event, with the relatively slow speeds of airgun pellets, its doubtful that a plastic tip on a hunting pellet makes a significant difference in pellet expansion upon striking quarry at longer ranges.

I just quickly browsed the offerings of a couple pellet manufacturers (Gamo and RWS) and I'm not seeing anything in the literature to suggest that plastic tipped pellets confer an accuracy advantage. RWS does not even offer a plastic tipped pellet. They do, however, offer a pointed lead-tip hollow point. The advantage of these designs are, according to the manufacturers, focused on terminal ballistic performance, particularly with reference to penetration. Given a lead pellet fired from an airgun is a relatively light and low speed projectile, it does make sense to have a pointed tip to aid in penetration, as the pellets simply do not have the supporting mass behind them to punch into all intended live quarry targets with the other, wider tipped designs. As to whether the tip makes a difference in expansion for airgun pellets, that doesn't seem to be the primary design intent. In centerfire applications, it is also debatable whether or not a tipped bullet offers greater expansion compared to a conventional hollow point. It seems to be intended to provide a combination of penetration and good expansion at extended ranges and the subsequent lower velocity of the projectile. Obviously, nobody is taking 500 yard shots at game with an air rifle... nor are plastic tipped pellets a direct comparison to a ballistic tip centerfire bullet, but what I am seeing for both is that blend of penetration and expansion.


Does the shape of a bullet affect its cycling in a semi-auto? I don't know. For whatever reason, there aren't any "ballistic tip" .22LR or even Stinger rounds available, are there? It's certainly not because no one at the ammo makers never considered the idea.

Yes, the bullet shape certainly can affect cycling in a semi-auto (and some bolt actions, for that matter, I've had the flat nosed Eley hang up when magazine fed in my CZ 455). Narrow, pointy bullets should feed more reliably in any action, as they afford more clearance for the bullet nose over the magazine lip and feed ramp of the rifle. My father's Remington 7400 .270 rifle notoriously jammed when attempting to feed soft point ammo from the magazine, with the larger nose of the bullet catching on the feed ramp. A switch to ballistic tip ammo solved the issue, as the extra couple mm of clearance allowed the nose to pass over the feed ramp, and feeding was smooth from there as the side of the bullet will not catch on the ramp.

Ammo makers will certainly entertain any idea that will help them sell more ammo, won't they? Case and point with the new SK Long Range Match :rolleyes: That's a gimmick if there ever was one. I'm sure ammo makers have floated the idea of ballistic tip .22 LR ammo, perhaps even prototype tested it as well, but likely found no advantage in either external or terminal ballistic performance to justify the manufacturing costs for what would likely be a niche, low-volume market. As .22LRGuy points out, hollow pointed ammo does what he needs it to.
 
I just quickly browsed the offerings of a couple pellet manufacturers (Gamo and RWS) and I'm not seeing anything in the literature to suggest that plastic tipped pellets confer an accuracy advantage. RWS does not even offer a plastic tipped pellet. They do, however, offer a pointed lead-tip hollow point. The advantage of these designs are, according to the manufacturers, focused on terminal ballistic performance, particularly with reference to penetration. Given a lead pellet fired from an airgun is a relatively light and low speed projectile, it does make sense to have a pointed tip to aid in penetration, as the pellets simply do not have the supporting mass behind them to punch into all intended live quarry targets with the other, wider tipped designs. As to whether the tip makes a difference in expansion for airgun pellets, that doesn't seem to be the primary design intent. In centerfire applications, it is also debatable whether or not a tipped bullet offers greater expansion compared to a conventional hollow point. It seems to be intended to provide a combination of penetration and good expansion at extended ranges and the subsequent lower velocity of the projectile. Obviously, nobody is taking 500 yard shots at game with an air rifle... nor are plastic tipped pellets a direct comparison to a ballistic tip centerfire bullet, but what I am seeing for both is that blend of penetration and expansion.

Indeed. My point was that the best shape for pellet accuracy especially as range increases is the round nose pellet. Those pellets with pointy tips are simply not as accurate. If you can't hit the target any penetration benefits accrued by a pointy pellet is lost. Pointy pellets are increasingly less accurate than round nose pellets as target distance grows. Pointy pellets and plastic tipped pellets are a gimmick by which manufacturers seek to get customers to part with their money.

Ammo makers will certainly entertain any idea that will help them sell more ammo, won't they? Case and point with the new SK Long Range Match :rolleyes: That's a gimmick if there ever was one. I'm sure ammo makers have floated the idea of ballistic tip .22 LR ammo, perhaps even prototype tested it as well, but likely found no advantage in either external or terminal ballistic performance to justify the manufacturing costs for what would likely be a niche, low-volume market. As .22LRGuy points out, hollow pointed ammo does what he needs it to.

This is a very good point. The new SK long range ammo cannot perform any better than any other .22LR ammo that has more consistent muzzle velocity and concomitant low extreme spread, which is essential to long range accuracy.
 
For clarification, the "tips" of Nosler ballistic tip bullets are made of hard plastic polymer. Hornady, which makes a large segment of the 17HMR ammo available, has the "V-Max" bullet with a polymer tip. They don't specifically call it a "ballistic tip" bullet, but it is a polymer (plastic) tipped rimfire bullet.

Exactly. Call it what it is. All plastic tipped bullets are not ballistic tips. We have mono bullets with plastic tips. Bonded bullets with plastic tips.

You dont go to Robin's donuts and order tim bits do you?
 
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