hatman1793
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Skip them both and buy the much better, optics ready CZ Shadow2.
What to choose... sig P320 XFive or Walther Q5 Match?
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This guy in Florida used to shoot Tanfoglio Stock 2 Xtreme wich is like or better then a Shadow2 and others guns, he told me the X5 was wayy better in getting faster transiton and great accuracy of course after the upgrades he did to his gun Grayguns competition Trigger and SS guide rod and 12-14 lbs spring look how fast this guy can shoot and hitting double Alphas all day lol BTW this guy is a Cop and he’s trying pushing all cops in Florida to get a red dot on their pistol
Here a video of him shooting fast
https://youtu.be/3OlZ4pygehg
Here a video of him shooting fast
https://youtu.be/3OlZ4pygehg
Here's Hwansik Kim shooting a stock Q5 at USPSA Nationals. He placed 2nd behind Max Micheal, a team Sig shooter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeFiHsyhaX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeFiHsyhaX4
I wonder how many will buy the SIG over the PPQ because of this result. What wins on Sunday sells on Monday.
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Bob
He shoots just like I do except I do it in slow motion, a whole different set of skills. :>)
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No matter how many times you tell a person it's not the gun it's the shooter, they still think it's the gun.
Laughing at the statement that the Stock II or III is a better gun than a Shadow 2, short of those paid to say such things, no one of any note thinks that, the Tanfos are known to be difficult to get working nicely and their triggers especially take a lot of work. But, once tuned and working, there isn't much difference between them and the CZs.
As for the Sig vs Walther, meh, really, it's a wash, a Gray Guns Sig is going to have a far better trigger than a Walther, transitions would likely be easier and quicker due to it being a lighter gun, but once you get used to the weight that probably would stop being an issue. Steel frame Walther is going to handle the boom better, but it's heavier to throw around, until you get used to it.
Honestly, find the gun you like the best and buy it. At this point in handgun manufacturing there really isn't anything to be gained jumping around from gun to gun.
As for the Sig vs Walther, meh, really, it's a wash, a Gray Guns Sig is going to have a far better trigger than a Walther, transitions would likely be easier and quicker due to it being a lighter gun, but once you get used to the weight that probably would stop being an issue. Steel frame Walther is going to handle the boom better, but it's heavier to throw around, until you get used to it.
Honestly, find the gun you like the best and buy it. At this point in handgun manufacturing there really isn't anything to be gained jumping around from gun to gun.
You had to bring up the inconvenient truth. Being paid to shoot a certain brand also helps. LOL
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Bob
Ain't that the truth. Just don't tell that to Linda when you are up here. :>). They all pretty much go bang when you pull the trigger and always send a bullet to where the barrel happens to be pointing when the gun goes off. The only tuff part is getting the barrel pointing at what we want to hit when the guns goes bang. I tend to struggle with that from time to time. Being what we are though Rob, marketing still works no matter what we say. eg.
Like how many times has your CZ shot when fully encased in ice, having just been dropped from a helicopter and run over by a tractor. I am willing to bet not once! LOL So, so,,my gun is ah way better.
Marketing does work.
How much better can a trigger be. The PPQ resets in 1/10th of an inch and without any work has a fully set trigger with a pull of around 4.5lbs after 1K rounds or so. I suspect with the right springs and a little work be made lighter
Not sure if anyone is making aftermarket parts for a gun with a trigger most shooters I know of can't maximize. Certainly not many on this forum.
The SIG is an excellent pistol and I think in time will dominate IDPA SSP Division and in street cloths the LEO market in the US. I do love my 320 XFive, With an Optic it is quite the machine. I would love to watch someone who can shoot, run it. I know I can't do it justice. Hell I struggle to keep up with a stock Norinco.
Bob
LOL, Ya just gotta be having fun with our passion or we are just wasting spit. I just know all I really need is a PPQ Match SF. An all steel frame under a striker fired space gun would be some kind of rocket to hang on to. We shall see what summer brings.
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Bob
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Bob
Well not quite. Buy a plate compatible to your Optic and install it. I have a Vortex on my XFive. Likely cheaper than your route. Aside from brand loyalty the Romeo works as well, too. I know the we all have our favorites but there is a work around.
I moved my Vortex to the XFive from my PPQ Match because of the heavier barrel and weighted grip. You can buy (grip with weight, Dawson Sights, have slide cuts cut and do the cut out for the RMR and be at about the same price point as just buying the XFive that will have a nicer trigger and the heavier barrel. The SIG tends to be the tinker toy gun where swapping parts and your money can be a fun pastime. Getting the slide weight and recoil spring weight right is going to play a large part in how reliable the tinker toy gun will perform.
If you have young eyes why bother mounting an Optic. With good eyes, most will gain very little by way of accuracy or speed , if any, by going to an Optic from irons for any form of action shooting. For Golden Oldies with tired eyes Optics help once their front sight disappears from view. The Optic will keep some of our elder shooters around for quite a bit longer.
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Bob
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You will need a plate. I got mine from one of our shooters. I will ask her where she bought it and get back to you. Once you have the plate it just drops in, you screw the plate down then screw the Vortex onto the plate. You do nothing to the frame of the XFive.
Freestyle I am now more accurate with the XFive than I am with the PPQ Match with irons, when shooting what I refer to is fast for me. We will see if that translates to "better" when I shoot my first match in April with it. The Xfive is heavier that the PPQ which helps with my feeble attempts at controlling recoil. Unfortunately it is still me holding the gun....:>). Off a bench both guns just drill a hole in the target at 20 yards. If I go to 25 yards my eyes seem to hide the target. There are benefits to sticking around but you do lose some things along the way. Great eyes is just one of the benefits of youth.
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Bob
Here is the link as promised.
https://shop.springerprecision.com/...-Burris-Docter-Venom-adapter-plate-SP0223.htm
I have bought some other stuff from him and he does nice work. The plate he made that is on my gun fir perfectly. You won;t be disappointed.
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Bob
CreamySmooth
CGN frequent flyer
I had an X5 and it was very nice to shoot. However, my realization in IPSC was that the hammer guns had a significant advantage and so now I shoot a P-09 with a Cajun trigger set. Single action trigger is just under 2 lbs on my gauge. And since this year IPSC allowed trigger assemblies.... from what I can tell it’s now Production so im gonna get it mulled and it should be about an oz under Production Optic Light weight.
