Slide Catch/Stop?

jimbo14 said:
^^^ 05RAV: My X-Trim is annoying as ####. Only two brands of ammo work with it. Anything else and it's a jam-o-matic. If I leave the slide locked back and carefully place it on the bench, it'll be ok. Until someone farts nearby. Then those moving air molecules will disturb the delicate balance, and the slide will slam forward.
That's why I'm going to file the notch in the slide. The angle appears wrong.
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That gives me an uneasy thought that perhaps, the K22X-Trim MAY indeed have some inherent flaw like that notch in the slide.
Can you post some photo of that notch? I can compare with the notch on my K22S which like I said above has been working absolutely flawlessly.
 
05RAV said:
That gives me an uneasy thought that perhaps, the K22X-Trim MAY indeed have some inherent flaw like that notch in the slide.
Can you post some photo of that notch? I can compare with the notch on my K22S which like I said above has been working absolutely flawlessly.
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"perhaps"? "MAY"?

Definitely.

I have the 1st gen of the X-Trim and have about 7000 rounds through it. The slide is too heavy. Later version(s) have more cutouts to lighten the slide. I also have some of the original #### mags from Dlask, and they are garbage. They'll send rounds flying in the air like a fish jumping out of a lake. I had 8 of those #### mags, and was able to swap out 4 of them. The new ones work better.

The height of the ambi slide release isn't even side-to-side, so the left side release hits the top of the notch, and the right is lower by ~0.5mm. The angle of the vertical part of the notch isn't quite 90 deg. More like 80-ish. Hence the ability of a fart to release the slide forward. Yours looks more vertical than mine.

Quite frankly, sending these out to customers as essentially Beta testers, sucks ass. I paid a lot of money for the gun and extra mags, and had high expectations, but am quite disappointed.
 
BillyBats said:
I know from personal experience with the OP's gun will not lock back under ANY condition. But of course the rep explained this was they way they were designed. Well if that's the case I suppose the slide stop is merely there for cosmetic purposes.
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Let's put this in bold again for the Grand Power fanboys in this thread who are still saying "it's auto-forward!" "it's a feature!" and are still asking for clarifications on the OP's gun. It's obvious that the slide won't stay locked back if the gun is empty, with a mag in or out, it's been explained by two different people at this point.

If you love Grand Power so much make the OP an offer for his perfect, wonderful, flawless firearm with a handy dandy "FEATURE". I'm sure he'd sell it to someone who wanted to experience the uh, features.

OP: post those emails
 
deadsea said:
Let's put this in bold again for the Grand Power fanboys in this thread who are still saying "it's auto-forward!" "it's a feature!" and are still asking for clarifications on the OP's gun. It's obvious that the slide won't stay locked back if the gun is empty, with a mag in or out, it's been explained by two different people at this point.

If you love Grand Power so much make the OP an offer for his perfect, wonderful, flawless firearm with a handy dandy "FEATURE". I'm sure he'd sell it to someone who wanted to experience the uh, features.

OP: post those emails
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If you’d actually read what people are saying in this thread it would be pretty clear. Pretty much everyone is saying

Auto forward = feature
Slide not locking back = defect

Those are two different things. The only person saying that the slide not locking back is a feature is the Grand Power Canada rep.
The same person who told me my gun wasn’t clean enough when I was having issues with my X Cal’s slide locking CLOSED after 300-400 rounds since a cleaning.
 
From the user manual:
8.5 Reloading during shooting

When the last cartridge is fired, the slide will stay to the rear. Remove the empty magazine and replace it with
a loaded one. Thumb down the slide stop with the shooting hand, or with the other hand, draw back the slide
and allow it to snap forward. The pistol is again loaded and ready to fire.

Wouldn't this be an ideal time to explain this auto-forward feature? If it was specifically intended to behave that way it should be explained in the manual for safety reasons. Still sounds like a defect that's just convenient to a select group
 
BillyBats said:
From the user manual:
8.5 Reloading during shooting

When the last cartridge is fired, the slide will stay to the rear. Remove the empty magazine and replace it with
a loaded one. Thumb down the slide stop with the shooting hand, or with the other hand, draw back the slide
and allow it to snap forward. The pistol is again loaded and ready to fire.
Wouldn't this be an ideal time to explain this auto-forward feature? If it was specifically intended to behave that way it should be explained in the manual for safety reasons. Still sounds like a defect that's just convenient to a select group
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I agree that an auto-forward feature could be better described in the manual. However, that manual is very short and may be, they have omitted that part for simplicity. Personally, I don't care very much for manuals since I always follow safety regulations (ACTS/PROVE). The first rule of safety says that the barrel should always be in a safe direction. So during mag loading it really does not matter so much when the slide goes forward as auto-forward.

Auto-forward is definitely a feature for the Grand Power pistols and a few other brands.

Auto-forward

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/11/jon-wayne-taylor/gun-review-grand-power-x-calibur-9mm/
The gun immediately went into battery. I tried that again, with the exact same results. I didn’t disengage the slide lock. I didn’t pull the slide back and release it. I inserted a magazine and the gun went into battery, chambering the first round. It did this almost every time. But not every time.
This is a design feature – one of which I am not a fan. That said, chambering a round fast on a full magazine is not the worst thing in the world; some people surely see it as a plus, or even as a feature. Especially in competition. A few people have told me their HK pistols do this, as well as some other manufacturer’s guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToL9dc8TT_c – look at auto-forward feature here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yljeKbLsGG0 – look at auto-forward feature here

https://www.full30.com/watch/MDAxMTYw/trip-to-grand-power-full-auto-pistols -look at auto-forward feature here


Help for jamming GP K22X/K22S

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwh5dEdEhTM – take a small recoil spring out if there are problems with jams

So please don't spew around your uninformed opinions!
 
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05RAV said:
I agree that an auto-forward feature could be better described in the manual. However, that manual is very short and may be, they have omitted that part for simplicity. Personally, I don't care very much for manuals since I always follow safety regulations (ACTS/PROVE). The first rule of safety says that the barrel should always be in a safe direction. So during mag loading it really does not matter so much when the slide goes forward as auto-forward.

Auto-forward is definitely a feature for the Grand Power pistols and a few other brands.

Auto-forward

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/11/jon-wayne-taylor/gun-review-grand-power-x-calibur-9mm/
The gun immediately went into battery. I tried that again, with the exact same results. I didn’t disengage the slide lock. I didn’t pull the slide back and release it. I inserted a magazine and the gun went into battery, chambering the first round. It did this almost every time. But not every time.
This is a design feature – one of which I am not a fan. That said, chambering a round fast on a full magazine is not the worst thing in the world; some people surely see it as a plus, or even as a feature. Especially in competition. A few people have told me their HK pistols do this, as well as some other manufacturer’s guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToL9dc8TT_c – look at auto-forward feature here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yljeKbLsGG0 – look at auto-forward feature here

https://www.full30.com/watch/MDAxMTYw/trip-to-grand-power-full-auto-pistols -look at auto-forward feature here


Help for jamming GP K22X/K22S

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwh5dEdEhTM – take a small recoil spring out if there are problems with jams

So please don't spew around your uninformed opinions!
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I saw all of those videos before I posted my last. Still no word from the manufacturer though ? So if it's an intended feature let's see some pictures or schematics of this specifically designed mechanism that results in auto forward. Was it designed to release with a specific amount of force ? If so how many joules does the manufacturer reccomend ? My old M&P 40 had this "auto forward " feature too... but I didnt like if because the darned thing needed about oh... maybe 20? 30 lbs of upward force ? Slamming the bottom of the grip down on the bench worked. Sometimes. But I couldn't find any information in their manual either on the required force to engage their auto feature. Sarcasm.

That guy in the first video is barely even putting my force behind that insertion. My walther P22 has auto forward feature too. But apparantly it only works after I've fired about 500 rounds and gummed it up a bit.

I dont mean to be an a$$ here or anything but this is a debate no one is going to win because theres no clarification from the .manufacturer. if someone can get that from grand power I'll stop running my mouth lol. But in the meantime, to me , this gun is just sloppy.

Flame on
 
BillyBats said:
I dont mean to be an a$$ here or anything but this is a debate no one is going to win because theres no clarification from the .manufacturer. if someone can get that from grand power I'll stop running my mouth lol. But in the meantime, to me , this gun is just sloppy.
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My Grand Power K22 X-Trim is very sloppy in this area. A slight breeze will slam the slide forward. Grabbing it off the bench will release it. This isn't cool.

OTOH, my Shadow is perfection. Typical range shooter won't notice anything. Insert mag with no drama, it won't do anything. Running during an IPSC/IDPA stage and slamming a mag in with some force, and it'll slam home. Perfection.
 
As for the jamming, my picky as hell K22 X-Trim, didn't care if it was the original single spring, or the updated dual spring or single variant of the dual. It still sucks ass when it comes to ammo variety. My opinion is quite informed.
 
I appreciate all the discussion on this matter. The bottom line is that the slide catch doesn't work. I'm not talking about auto forward. Grand Power Canada won't even look at it for me. I bought it brand new and it's still at the gun store waiting for some kind of repair. My question is to see if ifs manditory for a slide catch to work on a semi auto pistol. My question to 05Rav is if you love them so much then I will gladly sell you mine for a great deal! I've literally shot this gun 2x since July.
 
Johnny A1 said:
I appreciate all the discussion on this matter. The bottom line is that the slide catch doesn't work. I'm not talking about auto forward. Grand Power Canada won't even look at it for me. I bought it brand new and it's still at the gun store waiting for some kind of repair. My question is to see if ifs manditory for a slide catch to work on a semi auto pistol. My question to 05Rav is if you love them so much then I will gladly sell you mine for a great deal! I've literally shot this gun 2x since July.
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Even the instructions posted several posts above, indicate how to release the slide. So yes, this gun is supposed to have a way to lock the slide back. GP Canada really dropped the ball.
 
Johnny A1 said:
My question to 05Rav is if you love them so much then I will gladly sell you mine for a great deal! I've literally shot this gun 2x since July.
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Thanks for the offer but I already have one (a K22S though) that has been working like a champ with any 22LR ammo, no jams, no nothing. I am sympathetic to you that you have a problem like that with your GP pistol but one or two bad apples in the entire family of Grand Power pistols do not make the entire brand crappy. On the contrary, the GP's are one of the best brands on the market. If the pistol is in the store waiting for repair then the problem is not so big. Why wouldn't you ask the store to replace it with another one?
And, yes, a slide must lock back after the final shot if the MAGAZINE works correctly. On many occasions a magazine is the culprit.
 
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I'm not saying that all Grand Powers are crap. Just the customer service and lack of it.... Gun store won't even entertain the idea of getting me a new one. Trust me when I tell you that this has been the worst experience purchasing a pistol ever.
 
Johnny A1 said:
I'm not saying that all Grand Powers are crap. Just the customer service and lack of it.... Gun store won't even entertain the idea of getting me a new one. Trust me when I tell you that this has been the worst experience purchasing a pistol ever.
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Bummer on so many levels..... some shops go above and beyond..... some not so much and are happy to let their customers deal with the manufacturer instead of getting involved. If the manufacturer's agent won't help we are left to fix the issues our selves in Canada.

Who did you buy it from.

On another note I second the reports of better reliability with the cheaper basic model and it's wide open slide.
 
Johnny A1 said:
I'm not saying that all Grand Powers are crap. Just the customer service and lack of it.... Gun store won't even entertain the idea of getting me a new one. Trust me when I tell you that this has been the worst experience purchasing a pistol ever.
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Johnny: Your gun is clearly defective, but with no support, what are you going to do now?

You could try sending a note to Grand Power in Europe. Maybe that will spur something?

It sucks because I know I'd start to fiddle with it myself, but there goes the entire warranty - but then again, I think you're getting an idea of how much support you'd be getting if another issue came up.....
 
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