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Loading for a 6.5x55 swede
Sako 85

bullets are Barnes
120 TSX BT and 130 TSX FB

Ive measured the chamber with a Hornady O.A.L gauge

3.125 for 130 bullet so make cartridge 3.070

3.140 for 120 so make cartridge 3.090

BUT

load data from Barnes web page says COAL
2.950 for 120
and
2.950 for 130

What do I do?
 
what I would do is

if you have room in the magazine load cartridge length to your gun and not the manual

confirm that the loaded rounds are not touching the lands and will feed properly and then test for accuracy
 
Load data is for their test barrel with the OAL they published.

I would start at 10% below their max and work up using your calculated OAL for your rifle.

With the modern action I suspect you will get best groups near their max (or higher). Watch for pressure signs.
 
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I'll load 50% and work up.Getting even close to max scares me. I'm new to this and need more experience before
making near max loads. These are for hunting so I'm happy if they group well and consistently.
 
The OAL in the book is just a mention of what THEY used in THEIR rifle. It means NOTHING about what you seat your bullet to (unless they borrowed your rifle for their testing).

The OAL for your rifle is determined by your mag length and the chamber throat in YOUR rifle. Each rifle is different. And the throat erodes as you shoot it, so each year you might find you have to seat your bullets longer.

If it will fit the magazine, I suggest an OAL that puts the bullet 20 thou off the rifling. That is the max OAL for that exact bullet.

Make a note of that OAL in your log book. It is about 20 thou off the rifling.
 
The OAL in the book is just a mention of what THEY used in THEIR rifle. It means NOTHING about what you seat your bullet to (unless they borrowed your rifle for their testing).

The OAL for your rifle is determined by your mag length and the chamber throat in YOUR rifle. Each rifle is different. And the throat erodes as you shoot it, so each year you might find you have to seat your bullets longer.

If it will fit the magazine, I suggest an OAL that puts the bullet 20 thou off the rifling. That is the max OAL for that exact bullet.

Make a note of that OAL in your log book. It is about 20 thou off the rifling.

If he was talking cup and core bullets .020" would be a good number, but for Barnes monometal bullets, I follow the Barnes recommendation of .050" off of the lands to start.
 
I'll load 50% and work up.Getting even close to max scares me. I'm new to this and need more experience before
making near max loads. These are for hunting so I'm happy if they group well and consistently.

Start at the recommended minimum load, in some cases going much below that can actually be dangerous.
 
Barnes recommends 50 thou. off the lands and in my experience more is better. If you seat the Barnes bullets too close to the lands you are going to have pressure issues. I reload for 4 different 6.5x55's in modern actions and with the Barnes bullets I seat 70 thou. or more depending on the rifle.
If you start at .050 and slowly increase the distance you will find the "sweet" spot your rifle likes. Good luck. Nice rifle and a GREAT caliber.
Barnes bullets work very well but need to keep the terminal velocity up over 2200 fps.
 
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Don't start at 50% of max load! As a minimum you will get unreliable ignition, otherwise you may risk SEE. Start at 10% below published max, or min load as defined in your manual. Stay at min load until you're comfortable with going higher...
 
1) TSX like a bit of a jump to the lands vs cup and core. .05 is a good start. You did a good job and measured your rifle, use that data, not the published data which is meant for all rifles. If it fits in the magazine and feeds good to go.
Generally, If the bullet is jammed right into the lands it can cause the pressure in the case to spike, making for inconsistent results.
2) published load data varies from source to source, depending on how much the company's legal department made them water it down, and is made for all manner of rifle conditions, old, new, sloppy, etc.
Don't be afraid of max, just cautious. Your rifle is unlikely to blow up, that's usually caused by barrel obstruction or using pistol powder in a rifle. Tikkas are built solid.
LEarn what pressure signs are and how to look for them. First is usually the primer flattening out, then deep firing pin crater, then sticky bolt lift, then case failures. Look for pics online.
When I do load development I usually start 2 grains below published max, then go up in .5 grain increments to 2-3 grains over max.
E.g. loading 175 Nosler partitions in tikka 7rm nosler book max was 66, (quickloads data max was 68.1.) I loaded 64, 64.5,65,65.5etc to 68.0.
Accuracy was best at 67.5. Loaded that charge. Some primer flattening occurred.
Hope this helps with your reloading. Its a lot of fun, and satisfying when you see nice sub MOA groups in your choice bullet as a result of your work. Or a full freezer ��
 
.050" jump to lands with a Barnes monometal. Do not reduce powder charge 50% from max, you'll kill yourself. Stick to published minimum
 
.050" jump to lands with a Barnes monometal. Do not reduce powder charge 50% from max, you'll kill yourself. Stick to published minimum

This is worth repeating! Don't use loads well below published minimum loads! Very bad things could happen.
 
Sorry for the missunderstanding by 50% from max I meant to say the half way point between min and max powder charge
min being 36.9 and max being 40.1 for for IMR 4955 to use as an example
load data from
barnesbullets.com
 
Sorry for the missunderstanding by 50% from max I meant to say the half way point between min and max powder charge
min being 36.9 and max being 40.1 for for IMR 4955 to use as an example
load data from
barnesbullets.com

No.

Start with the Start Load. I have seen an example of a rifle that was over pressure, even with the start load.

If you are starting fresh, a good way to explore the rifle, bullet and powder is 3 of each, in 0.5 gr increments, from Start to Max.

Shoot these for groups, checking for signs of excess pressure. Probably one or two of the groups will look better than others and give you an idea where to come back for more development. Be prepared to bring some ammo home to be pulled.

For solids I like 75 thou off.
 
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