Dangerous Game Rifle build suggestions?

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What would/does your CUSTOM bolt action dangerous game rifle look like? Just curious what guys think as I’m looking at having a short barrelled thumper built. Thoughts about action manufacturer, stock, barrel length, sights and caliber of choice would be appreciated. I’m only interested in calibres 375 H&H and above. I have my own ideas but looking for opinions from people who know what they’re talking about and competent Smiths who could do it all. I already own a few DGR’s but all have very long barrels and looking to try something shorter and more weather resistant this time. Top quality sights are also a priority. Pics are always awesome too so please share!!!! Thanks
 
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Dangerous game rifle

9.3x62 22 inch Benchmark barrel, express sights local english walnut
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416 Rigby ,King barrel ,turkish walnut.
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Thinking outside the box eh.
Stainless M700 in .400H&H cerracoated dark ,ghost ring sights barrel band up front.
A safety that locks the bolt ,glass stock 6.75 lbs.
Or how about something that looks like a Kar 98 but has been rebarreled to .411KDF.
 
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Why does it have to be custom? Why does it have to be Bolt?

Are you looking to hunt dangerous game, or is this for defense from dangerous predators?
 
I have one planned out in my head, but I haven't done anything about getting it built yet. I'm not sure I would use it enough to justify the cost.

It would be a pre-war Mauser 98 military action with a 23" barrel in .458 WM. I'd get a 5-round bottom metal from either Weibe or Blackburn, and stock it with a nice, dense, hard piece of walnut. Iron sights only.
 
CRF, express sights, barrel 22" or shorter.

BRNO 602 (no peep) shortened to 20" and a lower #7 front sight installed 1" back from the crown so it's easier to tape.

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Im working on a 460 weatherby build on a commercial mauser magnum action, bought the receiver, 458wm barrel and a chamber reamer. I think im going to get a custom stock made for it. All and all its turning out to be pretty cheap if you do the work your self.
 
Why does it have to be custom? Why does it have to be Bolt?

Are you looking to hunt dangerous game, or is this for defense from dangerous predators?

Because the characteristics that enable a dangerous game rifle to perform best, are missing from most factory rifles. This can be as mundane as shortening the rifle's LOP, or adjusting the trigger. It could be installing a barrel band front sight with a rectangular post and a ghost ring rear sight, or if you prefer express sights. It could involve a drop box magazine to increase a Model 70's appetite. It might involve installing a finger deflector behind the trigger guard and moving the front sling swivel attachment to the radius of the forend tip. Milling receivers to accept stripper clips is a nice touch, although I haven't done this to mine, it makes the use of a forward mounted scope essential, and the installation of a quarter rib can facilitate this. Some rifles benefit from changing the angle of the bolt handle to prevent bruised knuckles, or just to improve cycling. Some rifles would benefit from a second recoil lug. Some rifles would benefit from a glass bedded bolt that extends from the butt, through the wrist of the stock to prevent stock failure. All rifles benefit from a good bedding job, and in the case of a dangerous game rifle with enthusiastic recoil, a bedding job will prevent a split stock. If the barrel is shortened, counter weights can be added to the forend to maintain balance.

Bolt action rifles provide the best balance between cost and performance. Double rifles are expensive British double rifles are cripplingly expensive. I've fired a .458 BAR that belonged to Pounder, but I wouldn't want one. After carrying single shot rifles for protection, I've come to the conclusion that they aren't particularly well suited for it. With the exception of the 95 and 71 Winchesters, few lever actions are well suited for the cartridges that are normally associated with dangerous game, and that goes double for pump actions.
 
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Zastava has a few calibers that would work and they are priced good. might have to change the stock to synthetic if the wood ones start to have issues
 
Ruger RSM in .416 Rigby or .458 Win or .458 Lott... job done, and lots of cash still in your wallet.
 
Because the characteristics that enable a dangerous game rifle to perform best, are missing from most factory rifles. This can be as mundane as shortening the rifle's LOP, or adjusting the trigger. It could be installing a barrel band front sight with a rectangular post and a ghost ring rear sight, or if you prefer express sights. It could involve a drop box magazine to increase a Model 70's appetite. It might involve installing a finger deflector behind the trigger guard and moving the front sling swivel attachment to the radius of the forend tip. Milling receivers to accept stripper clips is a nice touch, although I haven't done this to mine, it makes the use of a forward mounted scope essential, and the installation of a quarter rib can facilitate this. Some rifles benefit from changing the angle of the bolt handle to prevent bruised knuckles, or just to improve cycling. Some rifles would benefit from a second recoil lug. Some rifles would benefit from a glass bedded bolt that extends from the butt, through the wrist of the stock to prevent stock failure. All rifles benefit from a good bedding job, and in the case of a dangerous game rifle with enthusiastic recoil, a bedding job will prevent a split stock. If the barrel is shortened, counter weights can be added to the forend to maintain balance.

Bolt action rifles provide the best balance between cost and performance. Double rifles are expensive British double rifles are cripplingly expensive. I've fired a .458 BAR that belonged to Pounder, but I wouldn't want one. After carrying single shot rifles for protection, I've come to the conclusion that they aren't particularly well suited for it. With the exception of the 95 and 71 Winchesters, few lever actions are well suited for the cartridges that are normally associated with dangerous game, and that goes double for pump actions.

Perhaps we are using terminology differently, but to me you just described a grocery list of modifications to be made to a production rifle in order to make it more suited to personal taste. Thats a bit different than a custom gun which is generally built from scratch to the requirements of the owner, which could certainly include alot of the features you just described.

The OP seemed clearly interested in CUSTOM guns, and not simply modified factory guns. I am just curious as to why?

Lastly, since I have never been on a dangerous game hunt, help me understanding why some of those modifications are necessary.

I fully understand anything that helps with recoil management. Likewise anything that improves fit for the shooter, like LOP. These things aren't unique to big cartridges, although obviously the recoil becomes more important when there is alot more of it.

Front Site on the barrel band? Whats the theory there?

Finger Deflector? I have never heard of it.

Magazine. I like mags, but would you say they are essential for DG hunting? If so why?
Moving front sling swivel?

Stripper clips. Is that in addition to the magazine or in lieu of? Does big bore ammo come on stripper clips?

Moving the scope forward to permit stripper clips would necessitate a scope with pretty long eye relief. Typically you only see stripper clip read receivers on guns with open/iron sights.

You mention protection, and that was my second question. Are we hunting, or defending. If hunting, then I think magazine capacity and reloading should take on less of an importance. Long guns aren't well suited for short ranges. If defense is the concern, and ammo capacity is desireable, then shouldn't we be taking about a semi auto?

Educate me.
 
When are the one shot placement boyz going to jump in???
All the the money and time on a custom build when any good hunter needs only one shot per animal..
I jest of course
 
Perhaps we are using terminology differently, but to me you just described a grocery list of modifications to be made to a production rifle in order to make it more suited to personal taste. Thats a bit different than a custom gun which is generally built from scratch to the requirements of the owner, which could certainly include alot of the features you just described.

The OP seemed clearly interested in CUSTOM guns, and not simply modified factory guns. I am just curious as to why?

Lastly, since I have never been on a dangerous game hunt, help me understanding why some of those modifications are necessary.

I fully understand anything that helps with recoil management. Likewise anything that improves fit for the shooter, like LOP. These things aren't unique to big cartridges, although obviously the recoil becomes more important when there is alot more of it.

Front Site on the barrel band? Whats the theory there?

Finger Deflector? I have never heard of it.

Magazine. I like mags, but would you say they are essential for DG hunting? If so why?
Moving front sling swivel?

Stripper clips. Is that in addition to the magazine or in lieu of? Does big bore ammo come on stripper clips?

Moving the scope forward to permit stripper clips would necessitate a scope with pretty long eye relief. Typically you only see stripper clip read receivers on guns with open/iron sights.

You mention protection, and that was my second question. Are we hunting, or defending. If hunting, then I think magazine capacity and reloading should take on less of an importance. Long guns aren't well suited for short ranges. If defense is the concern, and ammo capacity is desireable, then shouldn't we be taking about a semi auto?

Educate me.

It is indeed a shopping list, but whether added to a production rifle or a built from the ground up custom rifle, on a custom or limited production action, the end result is a rifle better suited for dangerous game hunting than an off the rack commercial rifle. The dangerous game rifle must be absolutely reliable. It must handle quickly and point naturally. When you need it to fire, it must fire right then, at that moment, not after a delay caused by a difficult trigger. Dangerous game hunting is well, dangerous and hunting can rapidly become defending.

That being the case, why not a semi-auto? I saw an article on a Garand that was reworked and chambered for the .458, and I shot Pounder's .458 BAR, but I cut my teeth on bolt guns, and that's where my comfort level lives. Besides, with a bolt gun you don't have to wait for the gas to cycle the action.;)

A barrel band front sight eliminates any possibility of the sight screws failing, and the additional strength of the band around the barrel is additional protection from damage due to midadventure.

I had mentioned milling the receiver for stripper clips, and this brings up the question as to whether or not they would be available for a cartridge with a .513" head diameter. I've seen this offered on American gunsmith sites, so the gunsmith must make a few for each rifle that is modified for their use.

The front swivel is moved forward to prevent recoil from cutting your hand on the swivel or swivel stud. With reference to a drop magazine, this is not a detachable magazine, but a hinged floorplate that is slightly lower than the stock line of the rifle, the theory being that a six shooter is better than a three shooter. These are available from outfits like Sunny Hill and Blackburn.

A finger deflector is useful on hard kicking rifles whose pistol grips crowd the rear bow of the trigger guard, and the knuckle of the middle finger takes a beating. The deflector prevents the knuckle from being impacted.



This one sports a 22" barrel and NECG sights . . .
 
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Ok Maybe I should better explain my original post. I already have 2 Brno 602s, Marlin guide guns and other heavy hitters. I like them all but am interested in a short barrelled H&H, 416 or 458 of some sort. It seems rare to find something with a barrel length at 21” or less. Was just curious to see what guys had or suggestions that might work for me. I don’t need or want to build a completely custom rifle. Would just like opinions on where to start and who might be a good smith to perform the task.
 
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