Dlask DAR/TUF 22 questions
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Pointdexter
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I'm on the list for one of the first-100-made batch.
The TUF 22 receiver is replacing the current receiver that they make and the magazine that they are making is made to have some sort of 'notch'. They are also making special magazines that are designed to fit into this magazine well and not into a standard 10/22 receiver well, thus bypassing the RCMP nonsense of 'it can fit into a charger, so pin the magazines at 10'.
These new receivers also accept the standard ruger magazines.
It seems though that dlask has the receivers made up but the magazines are still being fine tuned. A bunch of people have asked to just get the receivers but dlask is refusing to ship them out until they can sell the magazines as well.
The TUF 22 receiver is replacing the current receiver that they make and the magazine that they are making is made to have some sort of 'notch'. They are also making special magazines that are designed to fit into this magazine well and not into a standard 10/22 receiver well, thus bypassing the RCMP nonsense of 'it can fit into a charger, so pin the magazines at 10'.
These new receivers also accept the standard ruger magazines.
It seems though that dlask has the receivers made up but the magazines are still being fine tuned. A bunch of people have asked to just get the receivers but dlask is refusing to ship them out until they can sell the magazines as well.
That alone says a lot about Dlask. Refusing to accept payment until the product is done properly.
I got two of their barrels, and very happy with them.
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on their website there so 10/22 dlask available, all sold out already 
Sakoman .308
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I plan to get one of their receivers one day. They are quite nice.
I'm pretty sure Dlask wants these new mags to work well.
If they rush a bad product to market it will hurt their business. I am more than willing to wait for quality.
I'm pretty sure Dlask wants these new mags to work well.
If they rush a bad product to market it will hurt their business. I am more than willing to wait for quality.
#1bcshooter
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And that makes absolutely no sense . The TUFF receivers are the same as the old DAR receivers except that they have a notch machined in the mag well to accept the new mag they are trying to produce . The TUFF receivers will still accept standard 1022 mags .
The problem is not with the receivers its with the mags they are having produced by a third party .
If the DAR receiver is dead sell the TUFF receiver and when they get a working mag sell the mags .
People want to build a quality 1022 and when the mags are produce that will only be a bonus to the platform .
From what I understand, the final dimensions (width) of the plastic knotch on the mag is what dictates the width of the slot that needs to be machined inside the mag well. And the fitment of these parts are critical to the reliability of the system. Until the dimensions of that plastic knotch is determined, Dlask cannot machine the slot on the receiver.
When working with plastic, the dimensions get a little wonky (plastic cools and shrinks and settles unpredictably) and it's more of a guess and check process. Every change to the plastic's tooling can take weeks depending on the machine shop's schedule. Once the tooling change is complete, it again would take time to schedule the tool to be installed on the plastic injection machine to spit out test parts. And test parts may not necessarily mean that it would be identical to production parts. Only until the real production parts start rolling off the line can the receiver's slot dimensions and tolerance be determined.
From what I can see, Dlask is playing it safe and waiting for the first 1000 mags to roll off the line before cutting out the receivers. Yes, they're taking their sweet time, it's frustrating, and I too got a 10/22 waiting for a receiver swap. In the end of the day...they're in no big rush, it's not like they're facing any competition.
#1bcshooter
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They are having the mag made to fit the receiver . Not the receiver to fit the mag .
The receivers are already built . The US company making the mags for them has not supplied a prototype that meets Dlask's requirements.
The receivers are already built . The US company making the mags for them has not supplied a prototype that meets Dlask's requirements.
The receiver's slot is CNC machined, easy change with 1 line of code. The Mag is injection molded, not easy to make any changes.
It's FAR easier and more conservative to fit the receiver's slot to the mag AFTER the production has rolled off the line. Like I said in my previous post, every change to any plastic tooling takes a long time. No to mention the time to schedule in a production run, it's not like the $500k to $1M injection machines are sitting around doing nothing waiting for the Dlask mag.
Keep in mind, Dlask has ZERO competition. Unless anyone else decides to start making this, Dlask can afford to take their sweet time.
I would make the mag notch out of metal and have it molded into/with the magazine. Problem solved and you wouldn't have to worry about consistency. If the mag is designed to be taken apart and cleaned, it could be made like a small flat plate and fit into a slot.
Yes, I agree. Except I would have this precision metal plate riveted on the plastic mag. Just so it's permanent and cannot be "easily" removed and fitted on a Charger Pistol.
Molded into (or plastic over molding) can get really expensive, as it requires the metal plate to be placed into the mold (via a technician or automated robotics) prior to the plastic injection.
#1bcshooter
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The receivers are already built !!!!
#1bcshooter
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Below is what Dlask posted in their thread on these . Obviously they do not agree with your ideas on how to produce their product
They posted that Jan 8th and apparently they still do not have a working mag
My understanding is that the receivers are "completed", EXCEPT for the slot on the receiver which has not been machined. Hence they did not release the dimensions publicly yet (open source).
Once they approved the mags (which they have not), they will machine the slot on the receivers and start distribution. If you want the receiver tomorrow, it'll just be the standard DAR-22 without the slot and you'll need to send it back to Dlask or find a smith to machine the slot later.
You live within driving distance of Dlask. If you're really that desperate, I'm sure you can swing by and ask them exactly what's going on. Maybe they'll even machine 1 slot on one receiver for you, but you'll need to take your chances that production mags won't fit/function.
That is good to hear... I have Serial number 15 waiting for me. I have a Boyd's At-One Thumbhole stock in pepper laminate waiting for it. The Boyd's Rimfire Hunter stock is a good choice for a hunting rifle. I will just hunt with the At-One.
You have been wrong through this entire thread... Dlask has had the milled slot in all of the latest production runs, including the last production run of DAR22's... this info comes directly from Dlask.
My TUF22 At-One speed rig is shipped, will have it in hand in a week or so.
The first full production run of mags will be at least another month... they are shipping from the USA manufacturer at the end of next week, but still have to clear customs etc... what was disappointing to me is that, Dlask will only sell the mags to a retailer, so you have to make a deal with your local store to bring in the mags from Dlask and then pay mark up on their price... Dlask will only ship ONE high capacity Mag "IF" you purchase a FULL rifle. The magazines will NOT be available directly from DLASK for the end user.
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