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Wendell said:
I think it'd be really cool if all of the best IPSC shooters would come out to try IDPA. If IDPA is as retarded as many IPSC shooters imply, they should really clean up. After that, if they still want to post about how retarded are most IDPA shooters, they can do it as an IDPA 'Distinguished Master', a title which would give them some real credibility.
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Someone is carrying baggage....

I’m an IPSC guy, who also shoots IDPA. Card carrying member of each. I get more jabs against my IPSC side by IDPA guys than the reverse. In my experience, IPSC shooters like the extra flexibility of IPSC stages, and longer courses. I have fun doing both. Great friends in each sport.

...and yeah, if the best local IPSC shooters came to a local IDPA match, they would dominate it. There are a few reasons for that, but regardless of how things are in my area, I still highly recommend all action shooters try out other disciplines. It’s great experience and again, in my area, the local shooters are great people. I love shooting with them. :cheers:
 
Wendell said:
I think it'd be really cool if all of the best IPSC shooters would come out to try IDPA. If IDPA is as retarded as many IPSC shooters imply, they should really clean up. After that, if they still want to post about how retarded are most IDPA shooters, they can do it as an IDPA 'Distinguished Master', a title which would give them some real credibility.
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They do
 
Rob there is no current Master Shooter shooting in IDPA in Canada. Why not register $40.US and you can become our only Master SSP shooter. I am sure the boys in Chilliwack would set up either of the two Classifiers for you.

If you come up to Terrace for the IPSC Qualifier I can set the Classifier stage up in the evening between shoots. You can have a couple of runs at it for free. I'll supply the ammo and a CZ Shdowline & holster for you. It only takes 45 minutes to run. Good way to kill the evening between Qualifiers.

Take Care

Bob
 
I get the impression that IDPA is more rule obsessed than IPSC. Definitely more than ICORE. I do prefer the time based scoring which I believe ICORE borrowed from IDPA.

I do know that my revo is a no-go in IDPA, I've read enough on that topic on eno's.
 
MikeyScuba said:
I get the impression that IDPA is more rule obsessed than IPSC. Definitely more than ICORE. I do prefer the time based scoring which I believe ICORE borrowed from IDPA.

I do know that my revo is a no-go in IDPA, I've read enough on that topic on eno's.
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For club shoots up to 6" can shoot for score up here. We did that when neither Ruger nor S&W were producing 4.2" guns. We still continue the rule. There are not many, but a faithful few who enjoy shooting the revolver in IDPA. Shooting revolver in IDPA is a completely different game. There are four or five of us who run with our wheel guns once in awhile. IDPA does require an IDPA approved holster though for the gun. If you do connect with a club wear the most gaudy Hawaiian shirt you can find. You will fit in real quick.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Rob there is no current Master Shooter shooting in IDPA in Canada. Why not register $40.US and you can become our only Master SSP shooter. I am sure the boys in Chilliwack would set up either of the two Classifiers for you.

If you come up to Terrace for the IPSC Qualifier I can set the Classifier stage up in the evening between shoots. You can have a couple of runs at it for free. I'll supply the ammo and a CZ Shdowline & holster for you. It only takes 45 minutes to run. Good way to kill the evening between Qualifiers.

Take Care

Bob
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Are you using the full Classifier or the 5X5? I'm sure Fang can shoot the 5X5 in less than 2 mins with taping and scoring included! It'll just be one hole!

More than happy to make that happen here! Just let us know.

It's pretty well a fact that the club level IPSC guys do outshoot the IDPA guys in speed but they may make up for the time gained in penalties!
Our shooters who are both IPSC and IDPA members always rise to the top.
 
I tried IDPA out long before anyone else did. Abby was the first IDPA club in Canada, that lasted one year. I've gone to a few matches at Chilliwack and honestly have zero interest in doing it again for a large variety of reasons, but the fun factor is one of the bigger ones, challenge of courses of fire being the next.
My comment however was meant to be about guys like Bob Vogel and others. Top IPSC guys who slay in IDPA. While IPSC courses of fire can certainly be considered more circus sometimes, not always, they are almost always more challenging in both accuracy and understanding how to break the stage down.
Now that's just my personal opinion, but 20 something years of competitive shooting at the highest levels in Canada and outside of it, both IDPA (back in the day) and IPSC since, gives me, I think, a pretty informed opinion. That doesn't mean one is better than other, for you, but for me, it's a no brainer, IPSC wins. Oh and long distance rifle stuff, I like that too. And IPSC shotgun, but not in Canada, it sucks here. Now if I had to pick between IDPA and 3 gun, hmmmm
 
Still Alive I will drag him out to our range when he comes up here. I may have to pour copious amounts of Scotch down his throat but Rob will come. Besides I haven't told him yet his pullover went to good will a couple of years ago. Don't ask. If he shoots all the shots in one big hole he will end up with a lot of misses just saying. LOL. He will do well. Under 20 seconds, I doubt it. There is no movement in the 5 x 5 and movement is a big part of IPSC.

Glad to see you bringing Bob Vogel up to Chilliwack. He was as Distinguished Grand Master in IDPA long before he went over to Greece and beat the best IPSC had to offer using, if you can believe it, a stock Glock 17. Well almost stock he did change out the sights. If he has updated his IPDA CD would you pick me up one.

All in fun.

Take Care

Bob
 
Rob will easily do the 5x5 in under 20 sec. I did it in 21 sec with RobPad when we tried it out. Of course, when I shot it at Chilliwack, I had the wrong Rx for my glasses, and was a little too IPSC-y. Lol!
 
If you can convince Rob to get to Terrace, props to you Bob!


I'll bet Fang can do it under 20s. He is fast and his mag change is smooth. Give him 2 passes and he'll be good.

I'll ask if Robert has anything to "sell". He'll be staying with me and using my Glock while he's here.
 
I hope he does. He is talking about coming up. He knows where he can bed down. The 5 X 5 is a joke to start with which is why I suggested it. With no movement I made Expert which is an even bigger joke. HQ still claims the times for the 5 x 5 are reflective of the long version. I found if you took your time with the 4" diameter circle in the head shot it was pretty easy to make Expert. I would have to reduce my draw times and double taps to break through Expert on the 5 x 5. With my new shoulder I don't see it happening. I doubt I could make Expert on the long version. To slow a runner. LOL

Take Care

Bob
 
Still alive said:
If you can convince Rob to get to Terrace, props to you Bob!


I'll bet Fang can do it under 20s. He is fast and his mag change is smooth. Give him 2 passes and he'll be good.

I'll ask if Robert has anything to "sell". He'll be staying with me and using my Glock while he's here.
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I found his first CD very helpful The problem is now it is quite dated given the rule changes. If you are in discussions with him I am sure he can be convinced to sell a few CD's. Just adds to the cash flow.

Good on you to bring him up. Not sure I have your phone number. PM it up to me and I'll call.

Take Care

Bob
 
MikeyScuba said:
I get the impression that IDPA is more rule obsessed than IPSC. Definitely more than ICORE. I do prefer the time based scoring which I believe ICORE borrowed from IDPA.
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The rules really aren't that complex when you become familiar with them. I haven't been a fan of the constant adjustments that have pushed the sport more in the direction of IPSC, imho, but by and large they're easy to work with.

I do know that my revo is a no-go in IDPA, I've read enough on that topic on eno's.
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Far more folks shooting revolver in IDPA than in IPSC around here, at least. Wheel guns are fun.
 
Canuck44 said:
The 5 X 5 is a joke to start with which is why I suggested it. With no movement I made Expert which is an even bigger joke. HQ still claims the times for the 5 x 5 are reflective of the long version. I found if you took your time with the 4" diameter circle in the head shot it was pretty easy to make Expert. I would have to reduce my draw times and double taps to break through Expert on the 5 x 5. With my new shoulder I don't see it happening. I doubt I could make Expert on the long version. To slow a runner. LOL

Take Care

Bob
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The 5x5 really is a joke. It's a bunch of 5-shot "Bill Drills".

My best:
String 1: 2.91 (freestyle, 5 rounds)
String 2: 5.22 (Strong hand only, 5 rounds)
String 3: 7.86 (freestyle 5 rounds, reload, freestyle 5 rounds)
String 4: 4.23 (freestyle 4 to the body, 1 to the head)
Raw time: 20.22
Penalty: 1 sec
Score: 21.22

I did it twice. My raw times were within 0.2 sec of each other. First run had more misses. If I shot the second run clean, it would just squeak into Master for SSP. At the time I was a B-class IPSC shooter. This is why Fang would easily be IDPA Master with the 5x5. I truly don't see how IDPA HQ can claim this even remotely tests people properly.
 
So ive been shooting IDPA for2ish years now, i enjoy it alot. The reason i got into it first was originally cost. $325 vs $40(BB vs new shooter course).I had never been in a shooting sport before and wanted to make sure it was something i would enjoy. Turns out i love it, and im not bad at it, its not too cometitive, your basically shooting against yourself for the most part. Ive met aome amazing people,many that i call friends. Ive taken to doing major volunteering for it now too.

I Havent shot ipsc yet, If jimbo gets his way i will be sooner than later. I am one of the ones that pokes jabs at him, mostly because he talks about nipple rubbing way too much lol. The majority of people i shoot with all respect other dynamic shooting sports, whichever one it is, it can take a investment of $ and lots of time to get better and better. How much all depends on how far one wants to go. Ipsc has much more of a dollar and time investment as its a much larger sport. It looks fun and i know i will involved eventually.

Ive been told by non ipsc that ipsc competitors are all like this or that, and ive had ipsc competitors tell me the same of other sports.
Im in the mindset that they are all games, just with different ways of playing. As long as we all have fun and go home with no extra holes does it really matter who shoots what?

Ya the 5x5 is kinda easy to rank higher. The old idpa classifier is a much better gauge. When i soot it in practice i come out with the same ranking tho. And very close to moving to the next one.
 
Oh yeah ipsc definitely is a more expensive sport, we see gear racing almost as it's own sport. Holsters costing as much as a gun, may pouches too. But, that doesn't mean you can't shoot with your idpa type gear and do well either. We also have longer courses of fire available, which means more ammo, especially at big matches. I've been to matches needing a minimum of 800 rounds over two days. And then let's not even start about the gun race, open guns over 10 grand, production guns over 2 grand and so on. Yeah idpa definitely wins that one.
 
Ironman0731, you will have as much fun at IPSC as you've had at IDPA. Maybe even more, depending on what you think of stage planning on larger stages, and the freedom of choice you have to shoot a stage. You're right though: they are both games. To score higher in each, you need to have a slightly different mindset between each. I enjoy the aspect of shifting gears between each sport. I don't always do it well, lol! but it's a fantastic mental exercise. Vogel can clearly do it well, and this is another conversation for us to have with him in March.

When you're ready to try IPSC, you can borrow my IDPA double pouch for the BB course and matches. You will kick ass with your M&P and IDPA gear. :cheers:
 
RePete said:
You have a choice of 3 clubs.

Sharon Gun Club in Sharon - 1:35
Target Sports in Gormley - 1:25
ESSA in Aylmer 1:15

Make contact with them to get the info.
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Was hoping to find an answer in this thread but it derailed quite a bit into IPSC vs IDPA. I'm in the same boat (have blackbadge and shoot IPSC) and one of the best parts for me about IPSC is that I can shoot at any club offering IPSC without being a member at said club.

I see target sports IDPA matches show up on practiscore, but it says it's for target members only. Sharon's website says that IDPA matches are posted on the Sharon website but I can't find any info so I presume I have to be a member at Sharon to access that part of the website. ESSA isn't listing any IDPA events as special events open to public.

I don't want to join IDPA only to find out I wasted money because I'm not a member of target or Sharon. Is my understanding on this correct? Or are there IDPA matches available that don't require you to be members at those two ranges?
 
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