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Hi guys I hope this the proper place to post this but I just heard some disturbing news today.It was told to me that
ten black bear were shot at our local land fill site.Those that were shot included a 600lb+ trophy bear and nine others which included a sow and her cubs.I also read in the Timmins Daily Press that a sugestion by Coun.Pat Bamford to begin a cull on the bear population which means trapping the bears and then euthanising them to prevent nuisance bears coming into the town,which as far as I know was not a problem when Ontario had a Spring
Hunt:bangHead:Why wont the Government acknowledge
that they were wrong and give our Outfitters back the other 50% of their income instead of causing them more grief by killing off more of what they earn their living from? I dont know what Mike Harris or John Snobleton had
to gain from banning the spring bear hunt but I have heard that it was from the influence of a millionaire business man who I wont name and who was supposed to
be an animal activist. If that was the case what has the ban helped when Timmins is planning to trap and slaughter these animals?:bangHead::bangHead::bangHead:
 
My neighbour has Tony I will get the info for you I know there will be a response in the Weekender in Kapuskasing
s
o I will get more info.By the way this was sanctioned by the MNR>
Also check out the timmins Daily Press article by Chelsey Romain in the Jly.27th paper.
 
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I found this one:




Northern mayors nix city's bear cull proposal

Chelsey Romain
For: www.timminspress.com

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- Friday, July 27, 2007 @ 10:00

Timmins city council has received little support from across the North for its controversial approach to the community's nuisance black bears.

On Monday, council voted in support of a resolution, introduced by Coun. Pat Bamford, that would urge the provincial government to begin a culling program for bears in the area.

The Oxford Canadian Dictionary describes 'culling' as selecting animals according to quality, especially for poor or surplus specimens, for killing.

"bears are normally quite shy of humans and now they're coming into the community," said Bamford. "There has to be a reason."

Bamford said he has lived in the North all his life and has never seen so many bears roaming into neighbourhoods as he has this summer.

"It's probably not politically safe to be talking about the spring bear hunt," said Bamford. "A culling program is used when a population outstrips the food supply and it is managed by the province."

Bamford said a culling program would mean bears entering residential areas would be euthanized instead of trapped and transported.

"It would reduce the bear population and reduce the number of bears becoming human-friendly."

Although Bamford said a culling program would control the bear population in a humane way, officials from surrounding communities aren't as sure.

Iroquois Falls Mayor Gilles Forget said bears have been travelling far from the tree line and into his town with as many as 14 bears making the municipal landfill site their foraging grounds.

But Forget said the solution remains with the return of the spring bear hunt, not a cull.

"This is the first year we've had a concern with bears in the town," said Forget. "If you're going to hunt bears, do it in a humane way that's going to benefit the communities and the business.

"A cull is a slaughter, you can't do that."

Cochrane Mayor Lawrence Martin said his town has seen "a handful" of bears killed or trapped, but town council is still moving in the direction of educating the public on garbage disposal dos and don'ts.

"A couple of members have indicated a cull is something that should happen and others disagree," he said. "Personally, I would not support it, but I am just one vote."

Martin said his personal views tie in with Aboriginal ceremonies held in his sweat lodge, where the spirit of the bear is honoured.

"If it has to be killed, it should be done in an honourable, ceremonial fashion," said Martin.

"I would have to express my views if it comes to just killing bears because they are coming into town."

Many communities do agree something has to be done to control the bear population, rather than just citing residents leaving garbage out as the reason why bears are entering town limits.

"I suspect it (cull) is a way of hunting them to ensure the bear population doesn't grow out of control," said Timmins mayor Tom Laughren.

"I think it received council's support because there has to be another avenue besides saying we have to control garbage.

"We can't keep doing what we're doing when you look at how it's tying up police resources and bylaw enforcement."

Bamford said he's afraid people will begin taking matters into their own hands and start shooting off rifles in town. He also said he believes some of those in cottage country have already quietly done so.

Bamford said he is a complete supporter of animal organizations such as the Canadian Wildlife Foundation and the World Wildlife Foundation, but worries about the human population first and foremost.

"It's a dangerous animal and it's not that we need to shoot all of them," he said. "But we need to put it into perspective and not be complacent because we need to protect our human population."

Forget agreed, saying it's "just a matter of time before someone gets mauled by a bear and all hell breaks loose."

The Ministry of Natural Resources have received more than 450 calls for service regarding bears to date this year, while the Timmins Police Service have received more than 200 bear-related calls.
 
And yet somehow allowing hunters to fill Bear tags is somehow worse then this crap? :rolleyes:

Sorry to hijack the post, but this is sort of related...

I just saw on TV that they are planning the same thing on Elk at one of the large Alberta Parks...they are going to try a sterility drug on the females first, and or simply cull them. Like why not simply issue a special LEH in this area for a season? :bangHead:
 
Calum said:
....I just saw on TV that they are planning the same thing on Elk at one of the large Alberta Parks...they are going to try a sterility drug on the females first, and or simply cull them. Like why not simply issue a special LEH in this area for a season? :bangHead:
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I was about to start a thread on that one. I was in awe..........:eek::eek::eek::eek:

So they don't want to kill them.
They don't want to chase them away.
They don't allow hunters to do their thing.
But they experiment in the name of some voodoo science bull####.

I got so mad that it's been I think since last Friday that the article was published and I still can't speak about it without foul language. And I don't use foul language. :cool:
 
Yah and I love the reference they made about hunters...sort of in a negative sense such as "Elf that leave the confines of the park fall prey to wolves and hunters"...Like WTF?! :bangHead:
 
jetrefueller said:
Hi guys I hope this the proper place to post this but I just heard some disturbing news today.It was told to me that
ten black bear were shot at our local land fill site.Those that were shot included a 600lb+ trophy bear and nine others which included a sow and her cubs.I also read in the Timmins Daily Press that a sugestion by Coun.Pat Bamford to begin a cull on the bear population which means trapping the bears and then euthanising them to prevent nuisance bears coming into the town,which as far as I know was not a problem when Ontario had a Spring
Hunt:bangHead:Why wont the Government acknowledge
that they were wrong and give our Outfitters back the other 50% of their income instead of causing them more grief by killing off more of what they earn their living from? I dont know what Mike Harris or John Snobleton had
to gain from banning the spring bear hunt but I have heard that it was from the influence of a millionaire business man who I wont name and who was supposed to
be an animal activist. If that was the case what has the ban helped when Timmins is planning to trap and slaughter these animals?:bangHead::bangHead::bangHead:
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This sort of thing should be ammunition for hunting clubs across Ontario to unite and confront the Gov't on this issue. :mad:
 
I can see the goverments point on this issue, assuming that I had never hunted before and grew up in down town toronto and had my wildlife management education done thru watching the animated movie "Open Season" im sure I would not care much for hunters.
 
you should be fencing your dumps. hunters will never shoot enough bears to keep an unprotected dump bear free.

a dump/garbage/fed bear is unacceptable and should be shot ASAP.

don;t really have a problem with CO's shooting dumpbears. I have a problem with an unfenced dump.
 
Demonical said:
That may be true but it was a Conservative Gov't that cancelled the hunt. :mad:
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The Conservatives, yes it's true. They did "ban" the spring hunt. Based upon lies and misguided information spoon fed to them from the animal rights grops from...of all places...Toronto. However over the years we have seen a landslide of proof that the cancilation of the sring bear hunt was a giant mistake, and all that so called "proof" by the anti hunters was nothing but a pile of lies. So today, who has been in power in Ontario for the last sevral years? The Librals. They see the mistake, and they see it getting worse and worse, but do they do anything to correct it? No...so STUPID MOTHER FARKING LIBRALS:mad:
 
Yes it would have been better if these dump bears were shot by lawful hunters and harvested as proper trophies, that being said, in my mind a dump bear is a bear that has gotten used to human spoils and should be disposed of.
 
Amphibious said:
don;t really have a problem with CO's shooting dumpbears. I have a problem with an unfenced dump.
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Nice idea but there is not many types of affordable fencing styles available that will keep a hungry bear out. I have seen black bears climb all sorts of stuff, and even electric fencing didn't keep them out for long.

Also they could simply dig under the fence line.

A better solution IMHO would be a state of the art incineration/electric generator plant. Burn the garbage right away with heavy filtration, and use the generated heat for power needs in the area.
 
Calum said:
Yah and I love the reference they made about hunters...sort of in a negative sense such as "Elf that leave the confines of the park fall prey to wolves and hunters"...Like WTF?! :bangHead:
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Actually - the plural of Elf is Elves, and yes, many an elf has fallen prey to my enfield:p Little buggers are everywhere around here... especially when the forest fires hit certain cultivated patches of non indigenous plants;).

In more seriousness - I agree - It's a true example of an effed system when they're spending untold thousands to "humainly cull" animals, when they are likely more stressed by repeated vaccinations, catching, releasing, and eventual shooting anyways!
 
H Wally said:
Actually - the plural of Elf is Elves, and yes, many an elf has fallen prey to my enfield:p Little buggers are everywhere around here... especially when the forest fires hit certain cultivated patches of non indigenous plants;).
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My smell phecker h8ts mee. :p
 
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