Another bear protection question

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Hi folks

I hope this is the right spot for this question.
Is a 16guage shotgun with slugs or 00 buck shot good enough
to stop a grizzly bear? The gun is an Ithaca model 37 featherweight
pump action and I was hoping it would be enough to carry for protection.

Bill
 
Don't use OO buck, slugs will be better and get Brenneke slugs. A 12 ga is better. But your shotgun is better than nothing. Also some bearspray as a backup is useful.

When walking the guy with the gun is in front, the person with the bearspray is behind.
 
As long as you are familiar with the gun and can fill the bear full of slugs quickly if the need arises I think a 16 gauge would do just fine.Some advise a load of #2's upfront so as to discourage the bear with a warning shot in the air or into the ground infront of the bear,slugs are always better than buckshot according to everyone who I've ever talked to.
 
part of the "trouble" with the 16 is the fact it's not common- you can get 12 guage cheap , in any flavor you like, and 20 as well, just not quite as common- there's no reason properly administered, that a 16 wouldn't be almost as good as a 12, however, i think i'd want at least a whole box of shells
 
As with most topics everyone has an opinion, and mine is that if you are in an area where dangerous bears might be an issue, then you should carry a gun designed specifically for that job. That does not mean that you need to go the custom route, but in terms of shotguns a 12 gauge repeater has become standard. Of those, the type made for fighting with rifle sights, swivel studs, short barrels and long magazines and perhaps a side saddle seems to be the best suited for this particular problem.

A 12 gauge also offers the best selection of ammunition. When it comes to ammunition for use against bears, carry and practice with the best slugs you can find. Brenneke slugs have a very good reputation on game larger than deer. Of the foster style slugs that I have tested, Federals have the highest velocity, but Brenneke's penetration is superior.

In a pinch, any gun is better than no gun, and your 16 gauge duck gun will probably save the day, However, if you intend to be in a place where you have a reasonable expectation that you might have to kill a bear in self defence, the purchase of one of these guns, many of which cost between $500.00 and $1000.00, is cheap insurance. Whichever gun you choose, practice is what will determine the outcome if you need to shoot.

Edited to add - We have discovered around here that when an individual who has never been in a "shoot for your life" situation before, short stroking a pump shotgun is a real concern. The use of a well maintained quality semi-auto seems to resolve this problem.
 
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semi-autos can have their problems too- lots of them are ammo-sensitive, just like anything semi-auto- if there isn't enough gas or recoil generated , you get a misfeed or a jam- even our beloved remington 1100s have a problem jamming with the "baby" magnum loads- bottom line- use and practice a lot and KNOW your ammo and your gun isn't going to let you down, or carry a DOUBLE
 
semi-autos can have their problems too- lots of them are ammo-sensitive, just like anything semi-auto- if there isn't enough gas or recoil generated , you get a misfeed or a jam- even our beloved remington 1100s have a problem jamming with the "baby" magnum loads- bottom line- use and practice a lot and KNOW your ammo and your gun isn't going to let you down, or carry a DOUBLE

Recoil operated actions have pretty much seen their day, and although a quality semi-auto can fail to function due to a light load, as long as the piece is maintained there is no reason for it to do so with full powered ammo. In the context of bear defence full powered ammo is all that need be considered, and those who carry bear guns on a daily basis need to switch out their ammo frequently to prevent problems associated with corrosion. I carried an 1100 for a short time, and it never failed me, but I kept the gun clean, and kept the ammo fresh. From what I've seen, the newer guns from Benelli and Beretta seem to be quite reliable, although off the shelf guns costing $2K should be nothing less. I am not a fan of the double gun, but this is a personal bias and I am sure there are times when a double would work as well as anything else in this role. I hasten to add however, that an individual who might short stroke a pump under stress, might also forget to go to the second trigger of a double in a similar situation. Either problem can be corrected with enough training and practice, but it seems many go afield unprepared, believing that it is enough to be armed.
 
My wife and I were recently in Calgary and drove up to the Banff/Lake Louise area. It is very spectacular and we talked about coming back and doing some hiking. What kind of protection, if any, can you carry?
 
To the best of my knowledge, in Banff, or Jasper for that matter you are not permitted to carry a firearm. Either you have to find somewhere else to hike, or find some comfort in a bottle of bear spray.
 
Edited to add - We have discovered around here that when an individual who has never been in a "shoot for your life" situation before, short stroking a pump shotgun is a real concern. The use of a well maintained quality semi-auto seems to resolve this problem.

The moral of the story? Practice, practice, practice. Invest some time in developing muscle memory.
 
I agree, however it seems that for the most part only gunnutz seem willing to make this investment. The vast majority of folks pick up a $200.00 shotgun, shoot 5 slugs at a pallet, hit it twice, then toddle off feeling secure in the knowledge that they are armed.

It would be to the benefit of such people to choose guns that remove praticed motor skills from the equation, and allow them to deal effectively with the problem at hand, which is killing the bear. It is not a perfect solution, but it appears to be more perfect for a non-gun-person than a pump gun.

The semi-auto also has the advantage of not cycling cracker shells. Many of us have come to the conclusion that cracker shell guns should not be used in combination with live ammo due to the possibility of damage resulting from a partial bore obstruction. If you are not tempted to use crackers in your primary firearm, that is a good thing.
 
My wife and I were recently in Calgary and drove up to the Banff/Lake Louise area. It is very spectacular and we talked about coming back and doing some hiking. What kind of protection, if any, can you carry?

BEARSPRAY ONLY AND GO AS A GROUP, preferably in the middle, and MAKE A LOT OF NOISE
 
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