Who still likes there M+M 10X?

BlackVoid said:
There is no set screw in original M10X. They tried to use one as a mod (they bought the gun), hoping it will improve the accuracy, but it did not.

The problem is not the barrel/trunnion. it's that the pic rail/handguard/upper is an attachment to barrel/trunnion part and flexes during shooting.

SG550 has no such problem, but i had to locktite the addon picrail to prevent it getting lose under recoil and that one is .223. Physics yo!:)
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Wrong both of mine have the set screw under the trunnion infornt of the magwell
 
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BlackVoid said:
There is no set screw in original M10X. They tried to use one as a mod (they bought the gun), hoping it will improve the accuracy, but it did not.

The problem is not the barrel/trunnion. it's that the pic rail/handguard/upper is an attachment to barrel/trunnion part and flexes during shooting.

SG550 has no such problem, but i had to locktite the addon picrail to prevent it getting lose under recoil and that one is .223. Physics yo!:)
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Maybe that's why yours was so craptastic
 
Right on.
Looks like an afterthought, after a few beers..... :)
As long as it works and your happy that's all that matters!

It's a pretty sweet looking rifle with a Gucci price, I think I would have aimed for center with that set screw.... but I guess accuracy is still proving a challenge for M&M.
 
bfiles said:
In fact in 6 of the m10x I have personally been in contact with all have the set screw

Reality yo....
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I think I have that one too if it came like that from factory, can't check ATM, mine is stored too securely.

Here is the original article. I understood, may be incorrectly, that they meant some other screw.

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Can-down said:
Right on.
Looks like an afterthought, after a few beers..... :)
As long as it works and your happy that's all that matters!

It's a pretty sweet looking rifle with a Gucci price, I think I would have aimed for center with that set screw.... but I guess accuracy is still proving a challenge for M&M.
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Accuracy is what you would expect out of this type of rifle yet I have zero problems slamming gongs at 300y with it. Do I expect it to be sub moa rifle.in that cal from a semi??? NO, but I'm not delusional about it does it beat accuracy out of an xcr of the same cal?? Nope they are roughly one in the same, does it atleast work with all kinds of different mags (unlike new rifles on our market) yup it does.

In fact my cz 527 in x39 shoots the same in a bolt action, maybe a slightly better.

Am I happy to have another x39 NR option on the market sure even at 2k it's still alright, hell I could have bought a 1000$ reciever and made a NR AR for the same that does the exact same thing any of us would actually use it for but I'm not crying nor but hurt over that, funny how guys need to piss on stuff they are sour from
 
onetwentyish said:
While I have not shot mine, I must say it is a remarkable rifle even at the inflated price. It nicely scratches the modern AK itch. I dont disagree it could have sold better if priced comparable to the RDB, but aven at $2000 it is a bargin for a quality modern semi. The only things comparable but cheaper are old combloc semi's like T81, VZ, or AK, the later being prohib in Canada, and all 3 designs would need significant investment to even get close to being on the same level as the M10x. The next closest modernized non-AR like designs that run x39 dont use AK style mags or feature any AK like similarities at all aside from the caliber. Not much to compare really. Price is also about 50% greater than the M10x too.
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Id think the VZ58 would require very little "investment" to surpass the M10x. Really the only thing the m10x has over the VZ is an integrated optic rail, railed forend, better trigger? And a flash hider. Is that worth the $700 difference between the VZ? Meanwhile the VZ offers:

Better accuracy
Iron sights
Better mags
Last round hold open
BHO button
Better balance
Lighter weight
More part support
And alot more modularity.

I agree with Bfiles point in that its great to have another rifle here in Canada. But like most have stated, its hard to justify the $2000 price considering what it brings to the table. Hence why it aint so popular.
 
Murray 3-D said:
Id think the VZ58 would require very little "investment" to surpass the M10x. Really the only thing the m10x has over the VZ is an integrated optic rail, railed forend, better trigger? And a flash hider. Is that worth the $700 difference between the VZ? Meanwhile the VZ offers:

Better accuracy
Iron sights
Better mags
Last round hold open
BHO button
Better balance
Lighter weight
More part support
And alot more modularity.

I agree with Bfiles point in that its great to have another rifle here in Canada. But like most have stated, its hard to justify the $2000 price considering what it brings to the table. Hence why it aint so popular.
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I get what your saying. To me it's hard to justify the price people pay for CZ 858's @ 1200+ these days. Considering I picked one up in 2005 for $650 from Lever Arms. What it all boils down to is what is the consumer willing to pay. I have no doubt in maybe a year or two we will see the M10X at closer to $1500 or even cheaper, or maybe they'll be come a unicorn rifle in Canada because they stop getting imported. Non-the-less I bit the bullet to pick one up at full retail and if it sucks...well look in the EE, maybe you'll get an awsome deal on a FDE one!!!
 
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Murray 3-D said:
Id think the VZ58 would require very little "investment" to surpass the M10x. Really the only thing the m10x has over the VZ is an integrated optic rail, railed forend, better trigger? And a flash hider. Is that worth the $700 difference between the VZ? Meanwhile the VZ offers:

Better accuracy
Iron sights
Better mags
Last round hold open
BHO button
Better balance
Lighter weight
More part support
And alot more modularity.

I agree with Bfiles point in that its great to have another rifle here in Canada. But like most have stated, its hard to justify the $2000 price considering what it brings to the table. Hence why it aint so popular.
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Once you modernize a VZ to a comparable level as the M10x you are well beyond M10x cost.

Just between RS Regulate and Magpul your going to spend $700 mounting optics and adding a magpul stock.

Then upgrading the front you will spend another $300 on a heavy quad rail, because an Mlok one doesn't exist.

Then expect to easily spend another $100 on a good comp.

Looks like another $1100 on top of a rifle worth $1380. So you get close to the M10x for $2480.

You still dont have the ability to use folding BUIS, and both your weight and balance arguments will be ####ed with the weight of your clunky quadrail.

Not sure why you think the M10x isn't modular, mlok is the epitome of modular, what part support does the VZ have that the M10x doesn't?

VZ mags are needlessly bulky and dont fit most fitted pouches, and while the VZ does have a BHO, what good is it with out a bolt release?

The M10x trigger and safety is better, and the CH is ambi.

Needless to say, I think one is far better off with the M10x if you want a modernized x39 rock and lock platform.
 
onetwentyish said:
Once you modernize a VZ to a comparable level as the M10x you are well beyond M10x cost.

Just between RS Regulate and Magpul your going to spend $700 mounting optics and adding a magpul stock.

Then upgrading the front you will spend another $300 on a heavy quad rail, because an Mlok one doesn't exist.

Then expect to easily spend another $100 on a good comp.

Looks like another $1100 on top of a rifle worth $1380. So you get close to the M10x for $2480.

You still dont have the ability to use folding BUIS, and both your weight and balance arguments will be ####ed with the weight of your clunky quadrail.

Not sure why you think the M10x isn't modular, mlok is the epitome of modular, what part support does the VZ have that the M10x doesn't?

VZ mags are needlessly bulky and dont fit most fitted pouches, and while the VZ does have a BHO, what good is it with out a bolt release?

The M10x trigger and safety is better, and the CH is ambi.

Needless to say, I think one is far better off with the M10x if you want a modernized x39 rock and lock platform.
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Well Said!
 
onetwentyish said:
Not sure why you think the M10x isn't modular, mlok is the epitome of modular, what part support does the VZ have that the M10x doesn't?
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You can get OEM VZ parts lots of places vs having to deal with NS when the M10X craps out...there is that sort of "part support" the VZ has.
The whole "M10X stopped firing after ### number of rounds" is not a good sign of reliability. The "fix" of course is already out there....file the hammer/sear, which really sounds wrong to me BTW.
Do people still hang crap off of rifle forearms? I thought that whole light/lazer/vertical grip fad was over?
Nothing about the M10X justifies $2k that I have seen, especially in 7.62x39 which just isn't a special cartridge by any means. I know most people have no idea how to shoot with irons, so being easily scoped is likely a huge appeal to these folks. Scope just seems pointless on a 5moa rifle IMHO, as I have 100+ year old rifles that shoot better then that with irons lol.
 
Can-down said:
Right on.
Looks like an afterthought, after a few beers..... :)
As long as it works and your happy that's all that matters!

It's a pretty sweet looking rifle with a Gucci price, I think I would have aimed for center with that set screw.... but I guess accuracy is still proving a challenge for M&M.
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:jerkit:Call me a liar, you hve zero clue what you are talking about and I'm 100% you've never touched that rifle.
You guys are tards if you think I did that
Blackvoid, post a pic and see if yours has that same set screw "if it came from the factory like that" LOL.

How do you know the one rifle Calibre got missed on QC???
 
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Hitzy said:
You can get OEM VZ parts lots of places vs having to deal with NS when the M10X craps out...there is that sort of "part support" the VZ has.
The whole "M10X stopped firing after ### number of rounds" is not a good sign of reliability. The "fix" of course is already out there....file the hammer/sear, which really sounds wrong to me BTW.
Do people still hang crap off of rifle forearms? I thought that whole light/lazer/vertical grip fad was over?
Nothing about the M10X justifies $2k that I have seen, especially in 7.62x39 which just isn't a special cartridge by any means. I know most people have no idea how to shoot with irons, so being easily scoped is likely a huge appeal to these folks. Scope just seems pointless on a 5moa rifle IMHO, as I have 100+ year old rifles that shoot better then that with irons lol.
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Sure you can buy spares for the VZ more places but that doesn't mean the M10x's are any less available. All modern non-surplus designs have to deal with this. If your worried be pre-emptive and put together a parts kit now to avoid a wait.

Yes people still attach #### to the forearms, not sure where else you would expect to attach a light or IR laser for low/no light shooting. The M10x's monolithic rail is perfect for this as it can provide a repeatable zero for aiming devices and MLOK platform enables the use of QD accessories using KDG mounts so you dont have to run said accessories when you are not doing low/no light shooting.

I get that a $2k x39 blaster is hard to comprehend, wasn't that long ago SKS were $150ea and CZ858 were $500ea as others have meantioned. But the XCR still sells well in x39 at $3k so I dont get what the issue is. Hell people buy ACR x39 conversion kits for over $1600 new.

I personally will never mount a scope on a x39 rifle, just a red dot. Either way, still need a way to mount it, and the M10x delivers.
 
People always wanted a x39 sig550 variant and this is it. The wandering zero issues resulting in perceived bad accuracy calibre mentioned are definitely an issue for those that wanted to shoot precision, which the rifle was marketed for.

I almost decided to get one of these but I felt a used vz58 had more to offer for the cost since I am on a limited budget. I think if I had the cash available I would try one to get some hands on with it. I do like the idea of the design.
 
onetwentyish said:
Once you modernize a VZ to a comparable level as the M10x you are well beyond M10x cost.

Just between RS Regulate and Magpul your going to spend $700 mounting optics and adding a magpul stock.

Then upgrading the front you will spend another $300 on a heavy quad rail, because an Mlok one doesn't exist.

Then expect to easily spend another $100 on a good comp.

Looks like another $1100 on top of a rifle worth $1380. So you get close to the M10x for $2480.

You still dont have the ability to use folding BUIS, and both your weight and balance arguments will be ####ed with the weight of your clunky quadrail.

Not sure why you think the M10x isn't modular, mlok is the epitome of modular, what part support does the VZ have that the M10x doesn't?

VZ mags are needlessly bulky and dont fit most fitted pouches, and while the VZ does have a BHO, what good is it with out a bolt release?

The M10x trigger and safety is better, and the CH is ambi.

Needless to say, I think one is far better off with the M10x if you want a modernized x39 rock and lock platform.
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Don't forget, a modernized VZ58 always looks like a dogs breakfast.
 
driller212 said:
People always wanted a x39 sig550 variant and this is it. The wandering zero issues resulting in perceived bad accuracy calibre mentioned are definitely an issue for those that wanted to shoot precision, which the rifle was marketed for.

I almost decided to get one of these but I felt a used vz58 had more to offer for the cost since I am on a limited budget. I think if I had the cash available I would try one to get some hands on with it. I do like the idea of the design.
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Marketing it as a DMR to cover up a price hike was the dumbest idea ever for a rifle that will likely never have any DMR potential. They should have labeled it an enhanced model the way Bushmaster did with the ACR and not give any false sense of hope.

The T81 amd even the VZ series offer tremendous value solong as you dont intend to modernize/add anything to them, where as the M10x offers tremendous value if you intend to make use its updated features.

Like you say, this really is the perfect emulation Sig 550 x39 variant that people have been crying for at a bargin price point with some further improvements.
 
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