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I'm starting to shop around. Geez, I really don't know where to start.

I'd appreciate some input on different brands of 1911 clones.

I'm looking at 9mm or maybe a 40S&W....local ammo availability being a factor. (I used to own and shoot a Ruger P-89 in 9mm...nice caliber to shoot...but the gun itself was a peice of cheap crap...in my opinion).

Also, any thoughts on getting a .22 conversion for some cheap shooting. Anyone else do this?

I'm leaning to Kimber (Canadian distributors???) or Springfield....

(I'm a humble working stiff, so no full blown STI's just yet....:redface:)

Opinions...anyone?
 
I dont shoot a 1911, but you said you are looking at "clones" and then say your leaning toward Kimber?
Kimbers are top notch, very expensive high quality pistols.
 
If you want to stay away from .45 in the 1911 platform you have only a few (lower cost) options in 9mm and .40.

1911 - Marstar's Norinco NP29 (when it arrives in stock) is one.

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/1911A1-NP-29.shtm

There are other 1911's (non .45), but they start getting pricey quick (<$1000).


I'd say look at the CZ75, Glock 17, Smith M&P or a Springfield XD.
 
See, the thing is, I'm new to pistol shooting sports like IPSC. I had thought most folks used the 1911 family. I also figured if everyone else uses them, well they must know something...

I am starting to understand that people use different types of pistols (?).


I suppose the easiest question is....what can you use and still play?


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You can get your Kimber from S.I.R. Mail Order of Winnipeg.

The url is sirmailorderDOTca
 
I'm about in your boat, and chose a CZ SP-01 Shadow for my first ever gun, with the idea of using it for basic entry level IPSC. Real nice 9mm gun at intermediate price range, tho there are certainly others as mentioned above and more yet. Lots would have you chose a .40S&W or a .45 but for me, as a newer shooter, I wanted the lower recoil & affordability of lowest cost available factory ammo.
 
If you intend to shoot IPSC, I suggest you buy a double stack pistol. You will want to maximize your magazine capacity to 10-rounds. If you will be using 1911, you will fall in Standard category and using a single stack pistol will be a disadvantage in changing magazine (Single stack magazine hole will be smaller than the double stack pistol). So, Kimber might not be the way to go if you intend to shoot 1911 in IPSC.

There are a few affordable double stacks out there:
>> CZ, Glock, SW MP and XD are affordable handguns for IPSC Production. Don't buy a Walther, they are not suitable for competition shooting. You will regret buying it! <HINT...HINT>

>> Tanfoglio LC is the best bang for your money amongst the affordable Standard gun. A bit pricey, but straight from the box.... you are all set for Standard in IPSC. Check out Freedom Ventures for this baby :)
One thing to remember tho, if you intend to shoot IPSC and use a 1911 pistol, dont go lower than 40 SW cal.

Good luck on your "shopping"
 
Possible IPSC Suggestion?

Anyboy know this one?

Dark International .40 Cal Double Stack 1911A1

DK40.jpg


Manufactured for DARK by Chinese State Arsenals

Features:
Extended Ambi safety
Extended slide stop
Beavertail Grip Safety
Extended Mag Release
Front and Rear Serrations
Full Length Spring Guide
Highly Visible Sights
Forged Frame and Slide
1911 Style Rubber Grip
Comes with 2 ,10 Rd Mags
 
tim i think you really should look for a used or even new para ord p16 40
itas a 40 cal wide frame 1911.
If you go this way then its still a 1911, can be used for anything, but if you really get into the ipsc you can trick it out big tiem, or sell it off and get an STI/SVI and not lose to much money.
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If you want to shoot Standard, I'd suck it up now and put out for an STI.
If you can't afford that yet, buy a decent production gun in 9mm and get into the game.
 
The first question to ask yourself is what Division you want to shoot in?

Revolver Division is for, you guessed it revolvers. The competitive gun in revolver division is a S&W 625 in .45ACP with moon clips for fast reloads.
Standard Division is dominated by double stack 1911s in .40 S&W. You can also compete with a .45. 9mm is not an option in Standard if you want to be competitive, as it is scored minor which is a handicap against the .40 & .45 which are scored major. Basically, unless you can hit the A zone every time, forget about 9mm in Standard.
In Canada you can compete with a single stack gun, but they aren't as fast on the reloads as the double stacks.
The three main options are the STI, the Bul M5 from Marstar & the Para Ordnance P16-40. The STI & the Bul should be fine out of the box, the Para will need parts replacement over time.
Another option is a single action Tanfoglio, these used to have a bad reputation but they have been building some very nice guns in the last few years.

Production division is for double action or striker fired guns. There is an approved list of guns to choose from at www.ipsc.org
Production Division is only scored minor, so 9mm firearms rule as they have less recoil than .40 or .45 with factory ammo. If you are going to reload then the other calibres become an option. There are a lot of guns to choose from, at the moment the ones that available in canada and that seem to be competitive in the right hands are as follows:
CZ SP01 is the flavour of the moment. there are a lot of factory options available for it, including a .22 conversion unit.
Glock 17 is still competitive, at a recent state titles here in Australia, seven out of the top 10 Production shooters had Glocks. The Glock comes with crappy sights, so factor in buying Heine straight eights or a similar aftermarket sight from the start.
S&W M&P is very Glock like, with good sights and interchangable backstraps to adjust the grip. It's flavour of the month with the plastic pistol fans, mainly because it's new and relatively cheap.
Springfield Armoury XD, again a very Glock like gun, with better sights and a more natural grip. Spare parts are hard to get in Canada. Look at the tactical model with a longer site radius.
Beretta 90-two is the replacement for several Beretta models. Although beloved of many fans, myself included, Berettas just don't seem to be competitive in IPSC for most shooters. The trigger is a lot harder to master. Beretta are discontinuing their .22 conversion units.
Tanfoglio Stock,or whatever it's being called these days. It's Tanfoglios answer to the CZ SP01.

Open Division is dominated by STIs. If you can't afford an STI Standard gun, forget about an Open gun. You also need to reload .38 super if you are going Open, as factory ammo will not make major powerfactor.

My advice is try before you buy. Go to a club match as a spectator, help patch targets and collect brass and ask if you can try out some guns. Helpers at matchs are always valued and most shooters love to show off their guns.

If you can't try before you buy then the CZ, Tanfoglio or Glock would be my picks.
 
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My advice is try before you buy. Go to a club match as a spectator, help patch targets and collect brass and ask if you can try out some guns. Helpers at matchs are always valued and most shooters love to show off their guns.

If you can't try before you buy then the CZ, Tanfoglio or Glock would be my picks.

This is all great advice. Try as many different types of guns as you can before you decide because once the money is spent, you're pretty much committed. Don't buy on price point exclusively; always look for the best man-machine interface that you can find within your budget, and you won't know how well a gun handles until you actually shoot it and compare it to other guns you may have tried. It may feel great in the hand, but if you don't shoot it you won't know how it reacts in recoil. It's a completely subjective thing, and a great looking gun that feels wonderful in the hand might actually handle like a total pig, so buyer beware. You may even find some great used guns out there that fit your budget.

If you're planning to attend any of the matches I'm shooting (check the on-line squadding) you would be more than welcome to handle and perhaps even shoot my gun. I'm shooting a Tanfoglio LC in .40 for Standard Division and I am very happy with it. So much so that I have ordered a second one. Flattest shooting Standard gun that I've ever owned and an absolutely amazing value for the money. I'm pretty sure they make .22 conversions for them as well.

Good luck with your choice.

R
 
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See, the thing is, I'm new to pistol shooting sports like IPSC. I had thought most folks used the 1911 family. I also figured if everyone else uses them, well they must know something...

I am starting to understand that people use different types of pistols (?).


I suppose the easiest question is....what can you use and still play?


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my vote is for glock...i bought a g22 to shoot in production...threw a 3.5lb trigger connector into it (which brings it down to just over a 5lb pull, still IPSC legal), and am having a blast with it. Youll prolly find most glocks around the $900 range new, or can pick up a used one from the EE section, theyll last forever with little to no problems, i still havent had a jam yet to date! and ive been shooting it twice a week since december...also u can pick up a .22 conversion kit from Advantage Arms, many sites sell these kits which basically just a whole new slide and mag for around $200ish.
thats just my preference, all the reviews of the guns below are pretty accurate, so just choose which division u wanna shoot, and start handing over the plastic...(the credit card companies always have tonnes of money that they seem to just wanna give away!:D)...so enjoy!
 
I've got the Kimber .22 target conversion. I picked it up from Shooters Choice in Waterloo. I put it on one of my Norinco 1911s for cheap plinking and new shooters. Fits perfectly, takes about 5 minutes to do and doesn't look too bad either. My conversion kit likes really hot .22 loads. I'm running CCI Stingers through mine. With hot loads it's been ultra-reliable (and has a real cool muzzle flash). With Federal bulk pack lead round nose I get fail to feed issues. We still haven't hit 500 rounds, so I'm hoping that will work itself out with use. I find it accurate enough for the club pin-shoot (7 or 10 yards, I forget), but I still have issues using it for bullseye at 20 yards. That might be a problem with the guy behind the trigger though since I don't practice as much as I should with handguns.

So far my Norinco 1911s (both .45 and 9mm) have eaten everything I've fed them with no reliability issues.

Note, I don't shoot IPSC though... Yet.
 
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Just ordered a S&W M&P 9mm

I'm gonna try out production shooting.

I found that the M&P had better sights than the XD and was way more comfortable in my hand, very natural feeling.

I was looking at Glock, however I shoot Lefty and preferred the ambi options with the M&P.

Price was right at Frontier Taxidermy as well : )
 
I personally would suggest staying away from cheap knock offs, unless someone with many rounds thru one can vouch for it. I shot a few rounds off one of these, and because there was a few hundred rounds or so thru it that day, as it was being shown by seller, when i shot it, i could actually see the slide move in slow motion as it was gumming up and malfunctioning. it's possible to happen, but not likely that soon with a good brand name gun.

Go with a quality name 1911, which ever one, as long as you've had a chance to test a few yourself before making final decision.

You get what you pay for !
 
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