Pretty much my experience. I was asked several times if I had a handgun, but I guess that came from CPIC, or they knew I had handguns from another source.
No centerfire without a tag in Ontario.
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Pretty much my experience. I was asked several times if I had a handgun, but I guess that came from CPIC, or they knew I had handguns from another source.
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I'm well aware of M/L seasons. I have one in my own area. I thought that maybe CanadianHunter knew of another reg I wasn't aware of besides M/L season. I'm usually bow hunting Deer during that week and rarely run across M/L hunters. It doesn't seem to be that popular in WMU 73 and 74A&B.
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- Brant County
Sorry, I think it's 6 WMU's that are muzzle loader only during any controlled hunt if you look at page 73.
If you wish to bow hunt during the controlled hunt you must do so in a WMU which specifically states a bow may be used. Page 70 shows which WMU's with controlled hunts allow the use of bows during the controlled hunt dates.
Example:
WMU 90A has two weeks where you cannot use a bow as they're not permitted during the controlled hunt. These are the dates you can use a bow.
Oct. 1 to Nov. 4
Nov. 12 to Dec. 2
Dec. 10 to Dec. 31
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
I read it as no, but I don't live in Ontario so that's your problem; I was just pointing out how silly the wording of the legislation was. Manitoba is not free of stupidity either since we're not supposed to shoot game birds with CF rifles anymore. The ptarmigan doesn't have a preference.
Not ML season, Controlled Hunt where no bows or shotguns are permitted only ML. There are several, as Canadianhunter stated.
I also hunt a ML season, but its not a Controlled Hunt season, so bows are allowed.
The only wmu that allows bow hunting during a controlled hunt is wmu 80.
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I have been checked to verify my license when hunting rabbits in SW Ontario and our old camp was all checked during the general gun hunt in the Ottawa valley, the only times I have seen a CO in the field, it does happen when nobody is doing anything wrong but since they do not have money for gas it is hard to justify driving around looking for people now.
It is time for rimfires to get bigger again, the 17 WSM was the reason for the 400 ft-lb rule, if you wanted a rifle cartridge to have less than that you had to go with the 32-20 or some of the old pistol cartridges, the 9x19 is factory loaded over 400 ft-lbs from a pistol barrel so would be well over 400 ft-lbs from a carbine barrel, so this would have been prohibited anyway.
I wonder, though, out of a carbine or rifle what the reading would be? However, the odds that a CO would be prepared to take that type of measurement, if published data shows below 400 lbs, you should be good to go.
It has nothing to do with what the round does but rather what the rifle is chambered for, a 444 Marlin can chamber and fire 2 1/2" 410 shotgun shells, a number of guys in the deer woods bring shotgun shells for grouse, the problem is that the gun is chambered for 444 Marlin so if they are hunting before the season with the 410 shotgun shells only they are still in possession of a 444 Marlin, in most cases there is also a general black bear season going on at the same time.
9x19 Remington UMC ammo is listed at 339 ft-lbs at the muzzle from a 4in barrel, so it would be higher than 400 from a carbine barrel.
Maybe this is why they switched it back to rimfire only, the 400 ft-lbs restriction is a recent one, maybe a few years.
Those two thoughts are sort of conflicting, but I think I know what you mean.
They go by the data stamp when it comes to the .275 rule.
But for the 400 rule, there’s no data stamp. And there’s no accepted standard for how much energy a particular round has. Even in an 18 inch barrel, the 147 grain 9mms usually come in just under 400ftlbs. If you were carrying a box that listed the muzzle velocity/energy on it, a CO would be hard pressed to find an accurate method to lay a charge. But that’s all moot now anyway with the new rule.
But here’s another consideration: Shotgun Sub-Caliber Inserts...
Sec 77 allows me to carry a shotgun, AND centerfire ammo... Teeeeeeechnically you’d be good to go. Even with something more powerful than 400ftlbs, right?
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You are trying to make logic out of this, ha ha.
If you have an insert for your shotgun to fire centerfire rounds they may charge you, you are the one then that would have to go to court and fight it. Heck, they could charge you for shooting at the gravel pit before the hunt, seeing that most of the rifle deer and moose hunt areas have a black bear season as well, claim you were hunting in the gravel pit.
Have your targets, have your license, don't hunt illegally and most of the time this is how things will present themselves to the COs, most of the time, but then you have the exceptions.
And just to be clear, I’m not advocating any such action, but merely fiddling with the wording of the regs and contemplating unlikely situations. I’ve always got a big game tag on the go anyway, and don’t own any barrel inserts.
Oh, I knew what you were doing
, just wanting to make sure that anyone looking into other things while hunting is sure to check for themselves with a local CO.I have a 38 Spl insert for a 12ga, that will go with me into the bush if I ever do the back country camping/fishing trip, I really do not care what anyone wants to say about it, a survival device and protection when 50 miles back into the bush is something I want and will bring.
Theyd likey charge you for using a single projectile or "ball"
