Stag 10 optics advice please

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Gents I am piecing together a Stag 10 build, I would like to set it up as a general purpose rifle(Lucky Gunner on YouTube has a great video called Practical riflemen) hunting and I would also like to take a carbine course with it as well, I do not have dreams of it being a super sniper rifle... more patrol/sa scout style jack of all ace of none. So far I have the Geissele SDC, Surefire warcomp, Odin works lite 308, BCM furniture, ibi barrel, phase 5 bolt catch and end plate

I know most people would tell me to go get a 1-6/1-8 Lpvo and call it a day but I have a PA 1-8 acss on my Bcl 102 and the poor light collection made it unusable at dusk an dawn(reticle and daytime stuff was awesome though). Does anyone have any other recommendations? I have been eyeballing the Leopoldo VXR patrol 3-9x40 fire dot ? If anyone has experience with them? Or another scope I should check out?
 
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Gents I am piecing together a Stag 10 build, I would like to set it up as a general purpose rifle(Lucky Gunner on YouTube has a great video called Practical riflemen) hunting and I would also like to take a carbine course with it as well, I do not have dreams of it being a super sniper rifle... more patrol/sa scout style jack of all ace of none. So far I have the Geissele SDC, Surefire warcomp, Odin works lite 308, BCM furniture, ibi barrel, phase 5 bolt catch and end plate

I know most people would tell me to go get a 1-6/1-8 Lpvo and call it a day but I have a PA 1-8 acss on my Bcl 102 and the poor light collection made it unusable at dusk an dawn(reticle and daytime stuff was awesome though). Does anyone have any other recommendations? I have been eyeballing the Leopoldo VXR patrol 3-9x40 fire dot ? If anyone has experience with them? Or another scope I should check out?
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If you are planning on doing a carbine course with the rifle you don't want any magnification. And I wouldn't recommend a .308 for a carbine course.
 
I may have used the wrong term when I said carbine course(I am no expert) I was more referencing the type of courses seen on yT, (Haley, Garand Thumb, Yeager, TREX, Practical Riflemen, WPS)type shooting courses, I know most of these are typically 90%+ red dot 5.56 guns, but many of these videos also have gents using ACOGS, LPVO, 2-10, DMR type builds and 7.62s, I am unfamiliar with the courses offered within Canada(I know RDSC offer some)

any experience out there with the Leupold VXR's?
 
I believe you used the right term. Places that offer that type of course in Alberta are RDSC (Agoge instructors) & Calgary Shooting Centre. Others that have offered these type of courses in Alberta the past but I don't know if they will again are Rob Furlong Marksmanship Academy & Shadow Force. RDSC & CSC require you to have taken a pistol 1 course as a prerequisite before a carbine 1 course. They are both also indoor ranges. You are correct that most people of this type of course use a 5.56 & a red dot. Reasons not to use a .308: The ammo is way more expensive (think 500-800 rounds in two days), .308 rifles are a bit less reliable (in my experience anyways), the rifles are heavier, everyone else on the shooting line WILL HATE YOU because .308 is really loud indoors especially with a brake (you mentioned warcomp), you will find out what every military in the world discovered between 1940-1970 that intermediate cartridges are a better idea. Also check course prerequisites / gear list or check with instructor if they'd let you use a .308.

As far as optics I would have recommended a 1-6 or 1-8 scope, but you mentioned that didn't work well for low light hunting. A jack of all trades optic is a compromise everywhere, can do all, but doesn't excel at anything. Others to consider are a red dot with 3x or 6x magnifier, Acog with a secondary red dot (like the SAS run) or perhaps a Elcan Spectre DR 1/4 or Specter 1.5/6 or Specter TR 1/3/9 optic. Pricing on Elcan's has dropped a lot in the last few years.

A friend of mine has a VXR 3-9x40 on this rem 700, he likes it.
 
man once again thanks for the advice! I'm going to end owing you a beers, I do have a Warden for the warcomp so hoping that helps, and as mentioned I definitely agree and am aware that there are tradeoffs, I am also considering an offset redot on a 45, I have a vortex venom that is currently collecting dust, also considering timing a work trip/visit to the USA(benefits of working in the patch, I have lots of friends with many guns and free room and board in texas)

have you attended the RDSC courses before?
 
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man once again thanks for the advice! I'm going to end owing you a beers, I do have a Warden for the warcomp so hoping that helps, and as mentioned I definitely agree and am aware that there are tradeoffs, I am also considering an offset redot on a 45, I have a vortex venom that is currently collecting dust, also considering timing a work trip/visit to the USA(benefits of working in the patch, I have lots of friends with many guns and free room and board in texas)

have you attended the RDSC courses before?
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Yes I have done almost all of the courses Agoge offers. Done one at CSC.
 
For my use, I love my p-308.
17.5 oz, 4-12x and LOTS of light. Pretty sure it's the same glass as Leupold. The reticle is pre lined for every 100 yards out to 800 if using 165-168 grain. I just seen Bushnell has an AR-10 line of scopes for 308 as well, but a bit heavier, and glass is almost as good. My scope vs the old Bushnell gives me an extra 20 minutes of hunting in the morning, 30 minutes in the evening, and clear view during the day. I'm not long distance shooter, but it's nice to know my glass is not the limiting factor.

Good call on piecing it together, I bought mine on impulse and it weighs 12.2 lbs without light, batteries, laser, etc.
 
If i had an 18” barrel AR10 do it all,
It would sport a 3.5x Acog with 308 reticule.

Not the best in specific scenarios,
But certainly will be a rugged do it all.
 
Maybe try a higher end 1-8 LPVO like the Trijicon or a NF NX8 or Atacr? I'm putting a Bushnell LRTSi with an offset rds on my Stag-10 (but it's setup as more of a precision gasser with a proof 22" 6.5 Creed barrel). I have the same optic setup on my M14s that's setup like a "dmr"-ish rifle and it's a really nice scope, tracks well, good glass, nice turrets, good reticle. I've taken it out past 800 with success. I also have one on my .22, haha. When I eventually put together a lightweight 18.6" upper for my Stag, it'll most likely have either the Trijicon or NF 1-8.
 
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Elcan Specter TR 1-3-9 on mine, and I've had no regrets.... at 1x it's red-dot-ish for close range, 3x it's similar to an ACOG, 9x for more distant targets. I've found it to be a reasonably good optic for everything from close-up to moderate distances. Heavy though. Not cheap either.

EDIT - if you're not planning at shooting at great distance, a Specter 1.5-6 or an ACOG could also be good choices.
 
I have a trijicon accupiont 1-4
Superb clarity
no distortion at 1x
Clean sight picture (triangle)
Bright fiber optic reticule
Tritium for low light as well

No regrets. It is ideal for close range, and 4x is more then enough for 100 - 400 meters.

Google "bindon aiming concept" it goes over the two open eye shooting theory.
 
I like the vortex gen 2 razor 1*6 or the trijicon offerings. Can often find good deals on the EE. The razor is super crisp glass and the dot is aimpoint bright for the 1x work. Skip the strike eagle...it's junk.
 
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