Most powerfull antique status revolver ?
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Great tip! I had not thought of that.
Don’t know where you came up with this but it’s totally false.
In Ontario you can hunt small game with an antique handgun no problem but you better not have it with you when a large game season is open as that’s when a CO could assume you were using it on large game. That came from the MNR but they don’t like to admit that you can actually hunt with your antique handgun.
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If i could find one like this in very good condition with the antique status, i would buy it. The bigger the bore, the better. Any repro one are nice but still they are restricted.
Only $2400. USD;
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/pistols/antique-pistols---percussion/fine-gorgeous-antique-percussion-howdah-pistol.cfm?gun_id=101077416
Killing a bear is easy. Stopping a bear before he mauls you, not so easy.
Even a modern handgun gives you a 50% survival chance if the bear attacks (and it could be a stealth attack, or a night attack).
If you need a gun, you need a shotgun with tough slugs.
Or, you can try to reason with the bear:
Even a modern handgun gives you a 50% survival chance if the bear attacks (and it could be a stealth attack, or a night attack).
If you need a gun, you need a shotgun with tough slugs.
Or, you can try to reason with the bear:
I’m no lawyer but that is how it was explained to me by an MNR officer out of the Quinte West area a few years back. I would love to hunt small game with one of my old revolvers. But I didn’t figure the charges would be worth it... Right or wrong the officer would have charged you or I if he found out. Now that was at least 5 years ago. If things have changed, then I wasn’t aware.
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Yep, this is the issue with 'antique' guns. The attending LEO probably won't know anything, regarding legality or, specific laws that might apply. Due to that, they will almost certainly err on the side of 'it's illegal'. So, the question becomes, do you really want to go through the hassle of dealing with the legal issues that might result from doing something that is so questionably legal? It's sad but, it's true. This is not a black and white area of the law but ,then again, what is? Laws are written to give enforcers quite a bit of discretionary powers. When it comes down to it, LEO can charge you with anything they want. It's no problem for them but, you will have to jump through all kinds of legal hoops to extract yourself from their lack of knowledge.
Pathetic! The bear was likely as annoyed with her whiny voice as I was. Her appeals to the Great Bear Spirit went unheard. Bet she's no longer a member of PETA or an animal rightist.
This what the gov't wants us to do when we or our family are threatened.
NOt quite on topic, but a few years ago it was reported in Alberta Outdoors Magazine a person successfully defended themselves in a bear attack using a 9mm semiauto, somewhere around Slave Lake, AB. Details were not well publicised but apparently the shooter was legal and I suspect therefore a cop or CO. Anyway - the shooter was on his back with the bear on him and he emptied the mag into the bear's belly. He preserved his life but was much worse for wear.
Those are circumstances I see a handgun being worthwhile for bear defense.
Those are circumstances I see a handgun being worthwhile for bear defense.
Not sure it's the same one you're referring to, but there was also a grizzly killed near swan hills (pretty recent memory) by a guy carrying a pistol of sort. I remember reading that that-guy was either a trapper or was hunting moose (or maybe a trapper on his line and came across a hunting parties kill, something or other like that) anyway, the handgun this fellow had along is what saved his life that time. I never did hear the exact specifics on what consequences there were afterward, but am 99% sure once it was investigated they deemed it obvious self-defense and I don't believe charges of any sort were laid. There was alot of talk about it at the time though, pistol saved a guys life in a bear attack... in Alberta, CANADA.
I too know of at least one case a CO used his sidearm and dumped the mag into a charging bear, dropped at his boots. But that was quite a few years ago and farther north than Slave too, so it wouldn't be the one already referred to either. The one I was told by the officer may have never been published, it came instead straight from the horses mouth, having coffee with him. His gun I thought was a .40*
Handguns most certainly work when they have to though, and that's the ultimate point. Lions, Cape buffalo, Browns & even Polar bears have fallen to handgun chamberings, it's pathetic that so many believe they're of no use or value besides shooting paper at a range... the old guns included. Blackpowder 45-bores shooting 250's @ 875-900 served plenty against bears and other wildlife during their eras, they worked then and would work now too.. Find an Antique that can more/less put you in that power range (or more) and you'll be no worse off than the men who broke & tamed this country-- 250 @ 900 is a hell of alot better than what the heaviest 9mm or 40 shoots
Although not a revolver this antique handgun that sold recently by a well known international dealer of antique firearms is more than powerful enough! Price it sold for was pretty darn good too, especially for it's excellent condition. Probably was never issued!
The .577 Snider fired a 450gr. .577 dia. lead bullet at 1,300 FPS and had 1,685 ft. lbs of energy from a snider rifle barrel.
Original Nepalese Manufactured P-1864 Snider Howdah .577 Cal. Snider Pistol - NAKKU Arsenal
Regular price $295.00 / Now Sold
Item Description
Original Item: Only One Available. This is an original item, in that the parts are all 19th century military origin. This came from our purchase from the old Palace in Kathmandu Nepal in 2003.
Made in the NAKKU Arsenal workshops as a HOWDAH Pistol. These heavy .577 caliber pistols were carried in the "Howdah" which was the basket in which the tiger hunters sat on the back of an elephant.
These heavy single shot pistols were in case of emergency when an irritated tiger decided to scale the sides of the Elephant to get to the human antagonists. A clumsy double barreled hunting rifle was much too wieldy for use under those circumstances so Howdah pistols were introduced in order to provide a quick last ditch defense from the jaws of an oncoming tiger.
The .577 Snider fired a 450gr. .577 dia. lead bullet at 1,300 FPS and had 1,685 ft. lbs of energy from a snider rifle barrel.
Original Nepalese Manufactured P-1864 Snider Howdah .577 Cal. Snider Pistol - NAKKU Arsenal
Regular price $295.00 / Now Sold
Item Description
Original Item: Only One Available. This is an original item, in that the parts are all 19th century military origin. This came from our purchase from the old Palace in Kathmandu Nepal in 2003.
Made in the NAKKU Arsenal workshops as a HOWDAH Pistol. These heavy .577 caliber pistols were carried in the "Howdah" which was the basket in which the tiger hunters sat on the back of an elephant.
These heavy single shot pistols were in case of emergency when an irritated tiger decided to scale the sides of the Elephant to get to the human antagonists. A clumsy double barreled hunting rifle was much too wieldy for use under those circumstances so Howdah pistols were introduced in order to provide a quick last ditch defense from the jaws of an oncoming tiger.
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The historical "Walker Conical" was 220 grains of soft lead, loaded over 58 grains of 4F black powder. For comparison the historical 45/70 Govt for hunting buffalo was 535 grains of soft lead over 68 grains of 2F black powder, but this was in a 14+ pound rifle. Yes, I shoot modern replicas of both. My "Buffy" is a Rolling Block action with a 32 inch Malcolm Scope on a 26 inch barrel.
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I agree with this as well. I called the MNR and they told me that I can hunt with a 30 cal air pistol as long as it’s under 500fps it’s a non-firearm and antiques are also non-firearms and can be used for hunting. Buy if used in a criminal way then firearms rules apply for both types. This is for Ontario. Most other provinces don’t allow this. I handgun hunt Rabbits with my 25cal Crosman Mark1 that I built and it’s fun as hell and is as close to handgun hunting as I can get.
NaturalPath
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Yep, and, the strange thing is that, the 500fps only applies to air guns and, not antique handguns. Antique handguns are non-firearms under their own designation, which does not include any particular muzzle velocity.
Not an antique.
Obviously, however the OP seems more concerned with a handgun that could defend himself in the wilderness than if it is an antique. I just wanted to point out that the large antique pistol in the previous post was about as large as and might as well be replaced with a Mare's Leg.
Cheers
Moe
