Stag 10 optics advice please

I highly recommend the Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x32 illum. ret. ...can be had in mil. or moa. Its fairly compact and around 18.5 oz. and i think under 12" long. Data is on Vortex site.

On 2 power both eyes open with illumination on, I can easily hit 25 m steel targets and quickly crank the zoom with the switch lever & go to 100 m. Out to 200 m sight picture is good enough to see your shots on paper. Past that my eyes are not good enough to make out the holes. Low light with sun over the horizon i can make out the holes at 100 m. Only down side is target turets do not lock.
 
This is according to who?

People that take courses.

The carbine course I did, there was no shooting at all past about 30 yards, except the last 5 minutes of the day when we all lined up and dumped every mag we had into the hillside that was covered in steel plates.
I used my 12 inch PWS for day one and half of day 2 with an Aimpoint PRO and it was awesome. Day two I switched to my backup rifle (16 inch AR) at lunch break just to give it a workout, it had a 1-4 on it. The 1-4 with it's set eye relief and narrower field of view was a lot slower and harder to use. Not impossible but the Aimpoint was far superior for the task at hand.

Variable power scopes are heavier and are more finicky about your eye being in the perfect spot which isn't always easy when doing positional shooting like modified prone with all your gear on.
And why would you want to add more weight to an already heavy rifle when you're going to be spending the whole day with it hanging off your neck. Sitting at a shooting table the variable optics are awesome but for bashing plates within 100 yards nothing beats a quality dot sight.

And has already been stated, why on earth would you do a carbine course with a 308? Heavier and more expensive to shoot. I went through nearly 500 rounds in two days, that's already expensive enough with 223. Plus the increased recoil which slows you down on your follow up shots.

Jack of all, master of none. CQB is definitely on the none side with a 308 AR with a variable power optic.


OP, Listen to mileageman, I know him personally and he knows what he's talking about through actual experience, not the usual mall ninja CGN advice that is typically floating around.

If you want to do a CQB course go buy a $500 AR off the EE and you'll have a much more enjoyable training course experience. There is no one rifle that can cover all bases which is why we are allowed to have more than one rifle, and if your wife won't "let" you, then it's time to get a new wife (I'm not kidding, is she your mother or your wife?).

For a CQB course you want the lightest rifle you can get and a light recoiling cartridge. You will be shooting a lot, so beating up your shoulder shooting 308 all day from a heavy rifle is not going to be fun.

A buddy of mine has a VX-R 3-9 firedot and it's a nice little scope and would be a good optic for hunting. Again though, would be terrible for a CQB course.
I have a Leupold Mark AR 3-9 on my non restricted ACR and it's very similar to the VX-R in clarity but the firedot would have been a great addition to it.
 
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Wow definitely some good advice on here, I think I am currently between the Leupold VXR Patrol 3-9x40 and the Vortex PST 2.5-10x44 for this build (I am trying to stay under $1k) and I do realize this rifle will be a master of none build, I have dedicated rifles and have built several over the years, light collection is high on my list as the most realistic use for this rifle is hunting

and thankfully my wife is supportive of the hobby and has 2 guns of her own, our 2nd date I took her clay shooting (it was her first time ever even holding a gun Ontario.. girl)

if I do a carbine course sounds like I will be using my NR-cz scorpion (should be coming in this month), I already have a Vortex venom waiting for a home.
 
I currently have a Vortex Razor HD LH 3-15x42 on my stag 10 with HSR-4 Reticle. It's a bit over your budget at $1200 though. I couldn't find a better light weight optic for hunting. It is just over 16oz.

I looked forever for my 'perfect' light weight hunting optic at any price point, this is so far the closest I have found. My criteria for the scope was as follows, in order from most to least important.

Weigth: 18oz or less
Magnification: 3-15 (in the that range)
Objective size: 40 to 44mm (in that range)
Some sort of reticle in Mil or MOA so I can compensate for bullet drop at distance. No duplex for this guy
Turrets: Small and capped. I don't need zero stop, I don't spin while hunting the distances I hunt at, compensate with reticle and dirt nap.
Parallax: Side turret adjustable, 20yards to infinity.
Focal Plane: FFP, but I can live with SFP.
Illumination: I'd prefer illumination, the whole reticle if possible
Adjustments: I prefer Mils, but can live with MOA
Tube Diameter: 1" preferred, but can live with 30mm
 
I currently have a Vortex Razor HD LH 3-15x42 on my stag 10 with HSR-4 Reticle. It's a bit over your budget at $1200 though. I couldn't find a better light weight optic for hunting. It is just over 16oz.

I looked forever for my 'perfect' light weight hunting optic at any price point, this is so far the closest I have found. My criteria for the scope was as follows, in order from most to least important.

Weigth: 18oz or less
Magnification: 3-15 (in the that range)
Objective size: 40 to 44mm (in that range)
Some sort of reticle in Mil or MOA so I can compensate for bullet drop at distance. No duplex for this guy
Turrets: Small and capped. I don't need zero stop, I don't spin while hunting the distances I hunt at, compensate with reticle and dirt nap.
Parallax: Side turret adjustable, 20yards to infinity.
Focal Plane: FFP, but I can live with SFP.
Illumination: I'd prefer illumination, the whole reticle if possible
Adjustments: I prefer Mils, but can live with MOA
Tube Diameter: 1" preferred, but can live with 30mm

For something similar, but on a budget, I went with the Nikon P-308 at 300$ Canadian.
No Parallax adjustment, or illumination though, although reticle glows "gold" in low light.
17.5 oz, 4-12, 40mm, 1" tube, MOA adj, and unfortunately SFP...
(Reticle is lined for 168 gr bullet drop compensation, which is amazing for hunting with Barnes TTSX 168)
But the reticle is only accurate once turned up to 12x, which luckily, is crystal clear.

Hence, within 200 yards I use 4x, after that it goes straight to 12x.

Now if I can only get the Stag 10 to balance better off the shoulder.

Anyone ever hunt with elevated red dot?
 
I am still hunting for a choice, the local cabelas has a Leupold VXR 4-12 and several Vortex pst's so I was able to compare glass at least in person(I know the store lighting is different) anyways it seemed like the Leupold VXR had better glass and was brighter, P and D has one of the Leupold VXR Patrols in 3x9 in stock so I am hoping to make the trek downtown this weekend.
 
I am still hunting for a choice, the local cabelas has a Leupold VXR 4-12 and several Vortex pst's so I was able to compare glass at least in person(I know the store lighting is different) anyways it seemed like the Leupold VXR had better glass and was brighter, P and D has one of the Leupold VXR Patrols in 3x9 in stock so I am hoping to make the trek downtown this weekend.

While you are there, compare light between the vxr 4-12 and the Nikons.
For the majority of Leopold's midrange to mid-high range, the glass is made by Nikon, so the glass should be identical.
Compared to my older bushnell, it got me an extra hour of hunting per day for low light situations, and much clearer to see under trees causing shade.
Biggest difference is reticle, and Leopolds have over the counter warranty, Nikon is "mostly" shipped. Both are lifetime.

VXR does have the firedot illumination though, My Nikon only turns reticle to a gold color in low light. I couldn't justify the extra 600$ for the firedot no matter how hard I tried.
 
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