44 rem mag accuracy load

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pastway

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I am looking for suggestions for a more accurate load for my Winchester 94 Trapper. Or is accuracy in this rifle too much to ask for? My current load is the 24 gr. load of H110 behind a Remington .429 240 gr SP pistol bullet.

I am getting no better than about 4 inch groups at 50 yds. using open sights. At the same distance, I can get about 1 inch groups with the Stevens 30 30, or Swedish M96 6.5x55, both of which have open sights. So I don't think it is my shooting.
 
Your load must be very close to maximum. Make up groups of 3 rounds dropping a half a grain per group of 3. Your most accurate load could be a grain to a grain and a half lighter. Just for the sake of working up the load you could sort your brass and bullets into groups by weight. It may or may not make any difference, but it's one less variable to affect the group.
 
I dunno if this info will help you or not....but I have 4 .44 rifles, all shooting Winchester white-box 240 JSP's. At 100m The Deerfield shoots consistant 1 1/2", both Ruger .44 carbines shoot an inch and the Marlin trapper (16 1/8" BBL) would shoot 2-3" with irons. Maybe find out whats in those and start there?

HTH.
 
i get a 3 shot group the size of a quarter using factory ammo at 100 when it's properly bench rested- no reason you can't do the same- win "hunting " ammo- the 240 grain white box stuff-
 
With all the dif. bullets i try in the .44Mag., I have found that a 215gr.SWC Gc with 25grs. of H-110 is the best for group size. I don't however feel it would be as effective on game as some of the heavy LFNs and WFNs.
 
MT Chambers' Supply has about 6 or 7 diff. bullets for the .44mag. including the 215grainer mentioned earlier, these are not mass produced by machine, but by hand, to customers specs ie: dif. hardness, dif. dias......used by discerning shooters on this site.
 
"...getting no better than..." Your rifle doesn't like that load. The loads given in your manual for a revolver won't necessarily be accurate in a rifle.
Try some IMR4227. 22.0 to 25.0(compressed) with a 240 grain jacketed bullet is given in my Lyman manual. IMR4227 is the powder used for the accuracy load.
 
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sunray said:
"...getting no better than..." Your rifle doesn't like that load. The loads given in your manual for a revolver won't necessarily be accurate in a rifle.
Try some IMR4227. 22.0 to 25.0(compressed) with a 240 grain jacketed bullet is given in my Lyman manual. IMR4227 is the powder used for the accuracy load.
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You are right, my rifle doesn't seem to like that load at all. I'm going to try going down one grain with the H110, which I am kind of skeptical will work. It is all the variation that H110 allows.
After that, I may try your suggestion with IMR4227 next, as it involves a different powder, but the same bullets that I have. Hopefully I can find something it likes.
I do also have some Hornady 265 gr that I use in the 444s. Maybe I should try something with those as well.
 
pastway said:
You are right, my rifle doesn't seem to like that load at all. I'm going to try going down one grain with the H110, which I am kind of skeptical will work. It is all the variation that H110 allows.
After that, I may try your suggestion with IMR4227 next, as it involves a different powder, but the same bullets that I have. Hopefully I can find something it likes.
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Well, I tried some reloads with 23 grs. of H110, and some with 23.5 grs. of H110. At first the 23 gr. loads showed some improvement, but as I kept shooting, the groups seemed to open up some again.
I starting to think my problem just might be the Williams peep sight. I going to take it off before the next trip to the range.
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I realize I'm replying to myself here, but I did work up some loads that are quite encouraging. These are some results from a trip to the range yesterday, some recipes that work much better in my Win 94 Trapper. 3-shot groups at 50 yds. with open sights.

21 grs. H110, 265 gr. Hornady bullet, 1 1/4 inch group. (very heavy recoil)

10 grs. Unigue, 240 gr Remington SP bullet, 1 inch group (moderate recoil)

6.5 grs. of Titegroup, 200 gr. cast lead bullets, 1 1/4 inch group

9.2 grs. Titegroup, 240 gr Remington SP bullet, holes touching, but with one group I had one flier, so I might try this load more before commiting to it.

As an added bonus, all these were hitting pretty well in the same place at 50 yds. The disappointing part is, apart from the load with the Hornady bullet, the loads are a little light for hunting purposes.
 
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