Restricted storage question?

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this is what the RCMP website says So I am thinking a lock-on cabinet it fine. It does not say it has to be a safe. http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm

Storing Restricted and prohibited firearms.

1. Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into; or trigger locks
Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.

2. For automatic firearms, also remove the bolts or bolt carriers (if removable) and lock them in a separate room that is difficult to break into.
 
sasdigger said:
this is what the RCMP website says So I am thinking a lock-on cabinet it fine. It does not say it has to be a safe.
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A Stack On cabinet is fine to store restricted firearms in, yes. You should also use trigger locks unless you want to put some scumbag lawyer's kid through college.

Your original question got sidelined. Sorry.
 
A safe is way different than a steel box, totally different rules. Law is clear in a safe or vault you dont need a locking device and ammo can be beside in the same safe not into the firearm.

In a box, firearms have to be render inoperable with a locking device.

Man the law is very clear.
 
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I will make it easy.

If you use a box you may be stuck with conflicted versions and possible troubles.

If you use a REAL safe or a vault, there is no questions asked, this is fullproof anti arguments… Period.
 
I just called the CFO office and either you have a cabinet or safe your guns must be unloaded with a trigger lock, restricted or not.
 
I had my personal lawyer reading the law word by word and 100% sure that's what i'm saying is right thing, the law is clear.
 
Going to go home tonight, open my safe and place a trigger lock, cable lock and mag well lock on all of my stripped lowers.. just in case.
 
The law is clear on issues such as trigger locks not required in a safe, vault or room specifically designed...blah blah blah.
What is not clear is the legal definition of a safe, but cabinets are mentioned as not being a safe in the legislation. So it might be safe to assume a cabinet is not a safe since they are separately mentioned.
I would lean towards how that particular storage option is marketed. They are usually clearly marked as a safe or a cabinet.
Yes, there is one provincial court example of a cabinet being considered a safe but that may not help anyone in any other province unless you have really deep pockets for lawyers. And even if it does make a difference the crown may push it further since they have deeper pockets(because they include yours).
Another thing missing is what constitutes a room specifically designed.....try asking the CFO, the RCMP or your local police that one....I guarantee you will get a different answer every time.
I am going to assume that those areas are grey and open to interpretation by whomever it may concern, you, the CFO, the RCMP or your local police.
So again this maybe an issue dependant on the size of your wallet.
 
6 An individual may store a restricted firearm only if ________________EXPLANATION BETWEEN THE FLAT LINES_______________

(a) it is unloaded;

(b) it is

(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device and stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or____ THIS ONE IS QUITE CLEAR____

(ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked; ___THEY ARE TALKING OF THE SAFE HERE NOT THE FIREARM____ and ____ NOTICE THEY ARE NOT DEMANDING A LOCKING SECURE DEVICE____

(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in___ BOTH CAN HAVE THE AMMO IN THE SAME PLACE___

(i) a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or i____thEY ARE ASKING HERE FOR A LOCKED CONTAINER___ or

(ii) a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked.____THE SAFE HAS TO BE SECURELY LOCKED AND THEY DONT ASK A LOCKED CONTAINER FOR AMMO____


And this is the Ontario Court of Justice ruling on the definition:
http://firearmslaw.ca/wp-content/upl...-Judgement.pdf[/u I am explaining each clause on here.
 
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If you want peace, buy a real safe, with all the rest you will have to live with questions and worries.
 
scourge18a said:
The law is clear on issues such as trigger locks not required in a safe, vault or room specifically designed...blah blah blah.
What is not clear is the legal definition of a safe, but cabinets are mentioned as not being a safe in the legislation. So it might be safe to assume a cabinet is not a safe since they are separately mentioned.
I would lean towards how that particular storage option is marketed. They are usually clearly marked as a safe or a cabinet.
Yes, there is one provincial court example of a cabinet being considered a safe but that may not help anyone in any other province unless you have really deep pockets for lawyers. And even if it does make a difference the crown may push it further since they have deeper pockets(because they include yours).
Another thing missing is what constitutes a room specifically designed.....try asking the CFO, the RCMP or your local police that one....I guarantee you will get a different answer every time.
I am going to assume that those areas are grey and open to interpretation by whomever it may concern, you, the CFO, the RCMP or your local police.
So again this maybe an issue dependant on the size of your wallet.
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A safe is a safe is a safe. A carrot is a carrot.
 
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