There is nothing wrong with 308 except that a 30-06 is better in every way. There is a reason why it is, and always will, be the most popular cartridge around. That said; I'd have a serious look at Ruger's stainless laminate with a good scope ie; leupold VXll 2-7, 3-9. Spending time and ammo at the range is a good thing, but not to the point that you tenderize your shoulder. Pick up a good quality 22 LR (again ruger's M77 22) bolt action with an affordable scope, and buy 22 ammo by the brick. I try to shoot 10 rounds of 22 every day or 2 and find it makes a huge difference in my critter hitting ability come hunting season.
Yet Another First Rifle Thread ;)
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Redhouse, where are you loacated? I'm sure someone here would let you try a couple of thiers before you made a purchase decision. If you just want one to do it all (don't tell my wife there is such a thing), i would have to say your on the right track with 308, but may want a bit more velocity potential than that. Perhaps an 06. Also just read an article about the power level ammo for the 300 ultra mag, factory offerings for the ultra mag at 06, win mag and ultra mag velocities. That will cover all the bases with no worries, except ammo availability in the near future.
Bad idea! The x39 cartridge is a marginal cartridge in my opinion even for deer. Good hunters would be able to use one, for sure.. but for someone that looks like is just starting out on hunting, I don't think its a good idea.
It's true you can get a lot of rounds for cheap, but they are rounds you cannot (should not) hunt with.
Someone mentioned a Tikka and let me tell you they are nice. Yeah, they have a lot of plastic on some models, but it is *tough* plastic. People complain about the lack of top loading but gimme a break.. its only nice at the range to top load. You *can* top load too its just different! More like side load lol
Anyways they are a good buy and super accurate out of the bunch. They probably the best factory trigger (even beats the accu imo) and its adjustable.
Smooth bolt, super light...
People mentioned the .270 and I'd say its a good round too. Ammo is available everywhere, based off the 30-06... its good.
If you see something in the EE that you really want, offered by someone who has a good trader rating, ask if he'll take a deposit and hold it for you until your PAL comes through. If he says "no" you are no worse off.
Edmonton, but I regularly travel both north (GP) and south (Cal/Leth/MHat) on overnight stays in my work. I did post in the 'Newbies/Alta' thread that I would be interested in some mentoring. I've had excellent luck getting good instruction on the pistol side of things at both local indoor ranges.
As to making an offer/deposit on the EE, well, 2 things. First, I wouldn't ask someone I don't know to do that. Second, I tend to buy my hobby toys new and am reluctant (never say never!) to buy something I can't both inspect and handle prior to purchase.
As to Tikas and top loading - heck, 2 months ago I thought every bolt gun was either a single shot or a clip. I need to learn about hinged floor plates, etc etc a little as I don't know much about the (3?) basic styles of ammo holding.
I'll continue to visit shops over the next while and try to get a feel for different makes and models of rifles. I'm fairly certain I'm going to end up at .30-06 (my dad's recommendation) or .308 (sorry ilp, no 858 for me). The short-magnums (or magnums period) are eliminated in my mind as a first gun. I am battling (successfully!) a recoil-anticipation flinch in pistols, last thing I need is a hard hitting rifle to set me back a step.
Really do appreciate all the input, thanks.
Gimme a break...... Sounds to me the fellow is interested in buying a serious hunting rig, not a toy machine gun.
Sorry if you find this offensive, but an 858 is hardly a good recommendation for a first hunting rifle.
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I love my savage rifle in 300wsm, if you can handle the recoil its always good to have that extra power if needed, a good scope bushnell/leupold is almost a must and a standard hunting rifle should suit your needs after all hunting takes a goo portion of patience and if you can handle it at the range i dont know how you could hanlde a 3 hour stalk on a big buck and being in alberta id suggest somthing for all around the 30-06 has the cheapest and largest ammo selection.
savages are good rifles i love my dads 30-06 114 amarican classic weaver rails offset millet rings bushnelle trophy scope it's great i could easaly drop a dear with out to a 100 yards and i am not the best shoot out there i was pleased to see how well i did with it
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The 30-06 can kick pretty hard for a new shooter in a light rifle. Try looking hard at the .270!
Dang it mike, lead him to your .270, it's an awesome rifle, and I know you want to anyways
Dude, buy mike's rifle.
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worryed about flinching i know the perfect rifle if you concour a flinch on it i don't wanna know what it would take to make someone flinch anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm you can drop any thing on the content of northamarica it aint "light weight" weighing in at 59 pounds for the stripped down model
and yes it is legal to own
and yes it is legal to own
My suggestion may not be popular or trendy however you have posted that you will be hunting for big game, for an unbeatable bargain at $325.00 try the URL below.
http://www.tradeexcanada.com/index.php?option=com_paxgallery&task=view&gid=5&iid=109
Were I in Canada I would take a grand and visit this company, these particular firearms are almost unprocurable in Australia.
http://www.tradeexcanada.com/index.php?option=com_paxgallery&task=view&gid=5&iid=109
Were I in Canada I would take a grand and visit this company, these particular firearms are almost unprocurable in Australia.
Your Dad has given you good advice with a 30-06 sprg.. The extra case capacity over the --308 -- gives the -- 30 gov't '06 -- a 200 fps. advantage. It'll handle bullets, comfortably, from 110 gr to 200 gr; making a good 30-06 rifle a North American go any where rifle. You can loader up for coyotes with 110gr or 130gr, deer with the 130gr or 150gr, moose and elk with 180gr or grizzly with 200gr. So short of shoot'in gophers, you got a gun that'll cover a lot of ground.
The 308 is a good cartridge as well. With modern rifles and powder, the current 308 is loaded up to velocities higher than the original 30 gov't '06 loadings were. But the 30-06 has kept pace as well giving you the extra punch.
Rod
The 308 is a good cartridge as well. With modern rifles and powder, the current 308 is loaded up to velocities higher than the original 30 gov't '06 loadings were. But the 30-06 has kept pace as well giving you the extra punch.
Rod
If you like the accutrigger, buy a savage with a wood or laminate stock. I agree the synthetic stock is poor and really detracts from the guns capability. I recently purchased a Ruger Mark II Stainless rifle and these are available at a good price as they are being replaced by the Hawkeye. It has a synthetic stock, but is much better than the Savage. It also comes with scope rings. The only negative is the heavy trigger weight, but that can be fixed.
Redhouse, that particular firearm is not a Milsurp, it is a pure sporter(FN action).....and a very capable sporter at that.
The cartridge is capable of killing anything that the 30-06 will kill and at that price is an absolute steal.
Regards, J Stuart.
The 8x57 cartridge will handle projectile weights from 125 gr to 220 gr at 3,094 fps to 2,420 fps respectively.
More importantly it will push 150 gr projectiles out at 2900 fps.
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