CZ75 - G17 or M&P(9mm) what to buy ? (first handgun for IDPA)

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Hey guys I am new to this & I was just wondering if you guys wouldn't mind offering your opinions on the matter of a which pistol out of the three to purchase for IDPA ?

BTW: the glocks slide/Mag release are very hard for my stubbie fingers to reach.

thanks!
 
CZ 75 is liked by those who prefer 1911-style, or Browning style firearms. It is all steel and designed for people with regular hands. If a Sig or Glock feels like 2 bricks glued together to you, then get a CZ.

However, I should warn you that the slide release on a CZ is not as easy to reach as on a 1911. You can get extended CZ mag releases, however, that are very very very easy to reach for anyone.
 
Glocks dominate IDPA Stock Service Pistol Division (SSP). The M&P 9mm would also be a good choice for SSP.

The CZ 75 can be used in SSP (with hammer lowered so first shot is double action) or in Enhanced Service Pistol Division (ESP) (with the hammer cocked and the safety engaged).

A good technique to learn is to use the thumb of your support hand to work the slide release as you re-acquire targets following a slide-lock reload.
 
I think they will all work well. I shoot an M&P9 in IDPA. Good price, good performance.

If you can, find a range (or fellow shooters) where you can try all 3!
 
Out of the 3 you mentioned, I like the feel of the M&P the best. I second the recommendation to try them out. You will find the one that feels "right" to you.

Another consideration is the XD9. I have the XD.40 and shoot CDP with mine and really like it.
 
Regarding the glock, you can get an extended mag release button from ebay. Easy to install. I don't know about "legality" re: IDPA rules, but it isn't a competitive advantage so you should be OK.

You don't need the slide release, you just use your free hand. The mag release might be a little faster, but not much. This is IDPA, not IPSC.
 
Wow thanks allot.
lots to consider. I belong to 2 ranges but I don't think people would take kindly to me asking them if I could shoot their gun. I will however go back to shooters choice & check out the cz & the M&P a little closer. I have decided not to pursue Glock because I don't want to modify anything that could pose a problem down the road with idpa.
 
Wow thanks allot.
lots to consider. I belong to 2 ranges but I don't think people would take kindly to me asking them if I could shoot their gun. I will however go back to shooters choice & check out the cz & the M&P a little closer. I have decided not to pursue Glock because I don't want to modify anything that could pose a problem down the road with idpa.

It is a common habit for all shooters, We all welcome people to try our gun as well as try their guns:). I have tried many guns before jump on the 686 and 75B. No harm to ask brother.

Trigun
 
Yeah, I don't think asking politely would be a problem with most guys, espeically handgun shooters. Some of the grumpy old fart 1 shot every 30 min guys might not like it, but I personally would have no problem at all with someone asking. Depending on the circumstances I would be pretty likely to say yes as well.
 
I let people at the range shoot my guns fairly often, and I think most people would. Two guys each put a mag downrange through my M&P9 just this afternoon!?

Like Trigun suggested, it doesn't hurt to ask. A thoughtful offer is to supply your own factory ammo.
 
I have decided not to pursue Glock because I don't want to modify anything that could pose a problem down the road with idpa.

What you can and cannot do to your gun according to the IDPA Rule Book:

The following modifications are NOT ALLOWED IN ANY
DIVISION unless otherwise specifically mentioned.

A. Compensators of any type including hybrid or ported
barrels.
B. Add-on weights for a competitive advantage (this includes,
but is not limited to, weighted magazines, tungsten guide rods,
brass magazine wells, weighted grips).
C. Heavy and/or cone style barrels without a barrel bushing.
D. Sights of non-standard configuration (i.e. Ghost rings, Bo-
Mar rib, etc.).
E. Disconnection or disabling of any safety device on any gun.
F. Lights mounted on guns.

STOCK SERVICE PISTOL DIVISION:

PERMITTED Modifications (Inclusive list):

1. Sights may be changed to another conventional notch and
post type (see “sights” in glossary for further information).
2. Grips may be changed to another style or material that is
similar to factory configuration (no weighted grips; see
“weighted grips” in glossary for further details).
3. A slip-on grip sock and/or skateboard tape may be used.
4. Internal action work may be used to enhance trigger pull as
long as safety is maintained (no visible external modifications
allowed).
5. Reliability work may be done to enhance feeding and
ejection.
6. Internal accuracy may be worked to include replacement of
barrel with one of factory configuration and original caliber.
7. Plastic plugs may be used to fill the opening behind the
magazine well.
8. Custom finishes may be applied.
NOTE: The slide releases and magazine releases that are standard
on the Glock 34 and 35 models are available as a factory option on
all Glocks available in the USA. Because of this, that type of slide
release and magazine release are legal on all Glocks for SSP.

EXCLUDED Modifications (NON-Inclusive list):

1. Externally visible modifications other than grips or sights.
2. Robar style grip reduction.
3. Add-on magazine well opening.
4. Guide rods made of a material different from the factory part
it replaces.
5. Seattle Slug Grip Plug and similar weighted products.
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6. A barrel of another caliber that is not offered in the original
factory model.
7. Slide lightening (see “slide, lightening” in glossary for
further information).
8. Checkering and stippling.

ENHANCED SERVICE PISTOL DIVISION

PERMITTED Modifications (Inclusive list):

1. Sights to another notch and post type (see “sights” in
glossary for further information).
2. Grips (no weighted grips; see “weighted grips” in glossary
for further details).
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3. Internal accuracy work (includes: replacement of the barrel
with one of factory configuration, the use of Accu-Rails, the
use of Briley Bushings).
4. Internal reliability work.
5. Checker frontstrap and backstrap.
6. Checker or square and checker trigger guard.
7. Cosmetic checkering/serrating.
8. Extended thumb (may be ambidextrous) and Beavertail grip
safeties.
9. Extended magazine release (button may not be oversize in
diameter or protrude more than .2” out from the frame).
10. Factory installed cone style barrels on pistols with a barrel
length of 4.2” or less.
11. Full length guide rod manufactured of material that is no
heavier than common steel.
12. Hammer and other trigger action parts to enhance trigger
pull (includes the use of over travel stop).
13. Beveled magazine well and add-on well extensions.
14. Custom finishes.

EXCLUDED Modifications (NON-Inclusive list):

1. Full length dust covers of carbon or stainless steel.
2. Oversize diameter magazine release buttons.
3. Trigger shoes.
4. Slide lightening (see “slide, lightening” in glossary for
further information).
 
I use my M&P9 in both IPSC and IDPA and it has functioned flawlessly. I also used a Glock 21 for a short while. Personally, I like the consistant trigger pull of the M&P and the Glock compared to the DA/SA of the CZ.

If you do go with the M&P try and find one without the mag safety. It can be a real pain on the "Hammer down" command as you'll require an empty mag to engage the trigger. Yes, it is possible to remove it if installed, but it's technically against the rules to do so.
 
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Troy I think were gonn have to look into that as the M&P does come from the factory without the mag disconnect..........oh and I haven't seen ya yet but I picked up a .45 from armco:D:D:D:D........still got that extra Holster?
 
I currently have a Glock and have shot several CZ pistols .
Both are very nice pistols .
If I were changing platforms again I would go M&P .
Overall it would depend on what fits you best , try all three and buy whatever fits you best .
 
Another plus for the M&P: Customer service

While shooting last night I discovered that one of my mags had a crack in the plastic baseplate(the lower third of the 10-round mags are plastic:() Ironically this happened as I was telling Dave/BCLinehand that I hadn't had any broken mags yet! One email to Smith & Wesson and I have 6 replacement bases on the way, at no charge!
 
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