Mysterious CIL 950T! Help!

Now that I think about it, the short throat could be a hold over from the days of issued ammo from the DND.

The rifle may have been built back in those days and custom throated for IVI 62 gr 5.56. A lot of guys built dedicated 5.56 guns to shoot issue IVI ball until free DND ammo ended in the mid 90’s.
 
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Very interesting information! The gun shot 40gr Amax beautifully, but the groups started to open up with 55's. I didn't experiment with load development much with the 55s, I had a smith lengthen the throat to shoot 68/69's. Hope to post some pics of groups soon!

njohnson said:
Now that I think about it, the short throat could be a hold over from the days of issued ammo from the DND.

The rifle may have been built back in those days and custom throated for IVI 62 gr 5.56. A lot of guys built dedicated 5.56 guns to shoot issue IVI ball until free DND ammo ended in the mid 90’s.
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Finally got some group pics...all at 100 yards with a SWFA 10x scope. Shooting off a bench.

25 grains of H4895, 68gr Hornady HPBT Match, seated 10 thou off the lands from fire formed/neck sized brass. Federal GMM small primers. Tang screw was loose, just barely snugged in. Fore and middle screws torqued to 40 in/lbs.

The white circle is 1-3/4"
First group was 3 shots just bore sighted the scope.
Second group was based off the first group to get the scope set. 1st shot was for elevation, second shot was for windage. Then 3 shots. No complaints!

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Thanks! The gun seems to shoot better with a "lukewarm" barrel. The first 3 shots were through a cold spotless barrel, just to see how the load grouped, then I messed with elevation and windage. So after 5 shots and a little fouling and warmth in the tube, I did 3 slow shots and they all went into the same hole more or less. I don't think there's much point playing with tang screw torque based on these results. =)

I've got some 75gr HPBT might try out. REALLY happy with the CIL!

Buckmastr said:
Looks like it's a tack driver. Good work!
Thanks for the update
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I own 2 of these rifles 1 in 308 the other I rebarreledto 6.5 284 Norma eventually I’d like to pick up another and convert it to 223 .what would be involved in changing the bolt head?
 
pig boots said:
I own 2 of these rifles 1 in 308 the other I rebarreledto 6.5 284 Norma eventually I’d like to pick up another and convert it to 223 .what would be involved in changing the bolt head?
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PTG makes a replacement bolt head for a 110 series Savage in near any configuration, I just don’t know if there are big differences between a vintage 950T and the newer actions. That said it requires fitting regardless, so maybe it could work in this case.
 
The 950T was a stock single shot long action, Savage. CIL ordered a bunch of them for use as DCRA target rifles.

CIL specified the Longbranch 7.62 chamber, but Savage balked and used a SAAMI 308. The throat was too long for good 7.72 performance. (We shot issue military ammo.)

CIL then contracted with Walther to supply barrels with the correct chamber. When you bought a rifle (around $150) it came with a Savage barrel installed and a Walther barrel.

The third screw was added by shooters to better control the violent twist and torque with 7.62 ammo. The tang screw was left not tight.

I still have and use a number of these rifles. I think I had 6 of them.
 
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That explains a lot the last one I got came with 2 barrels and didn’t shoot good at all the throte was super long and couldn’t get a bullet jam number even with 180gr bullets so I rebarreled it to 6.5 284 .
 
Ganderite said:
The 950T was a stock single shot long action, Savage. CIL ordered a bunch of them for use as DCRA target rifles.

CIL specified the Longbranch 7.62 chamber, but Savage balked and used a SAAMI 308. The throat was too long for good 7.72 performance. (We shot issue military ammo.)

CIL then contracted with Walther to supply barrels with the correct chamber. When you bought a rifle (around $150) it came with a Savage barrel installed and a Walther barrel.

The third screw was added by shooters to better control the violent twist and torque with 7.62 ammo. The tang screw was left not tight.

I still have and use a number of these rifles. I think I had 6 of them.
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I remember that dust up about the chamber issues- seems the guys at Savage thought they knew better than what was ordered by those crazy Canucks . The old man was pizzed for sure!!f:P:
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Saabu said:
well this is interesting! as mentioned previously my father kept for some reason a 7.62 or .308 barrel well after converting his rifle to 6.5BR. This is the old barrel. Is there any way to tell which chamber this barrel has other than taking it to my gunsmith?
https://s1369.photobucket.com/user/saabu3/media/IMG_20190420_2112289_zpsuryxjzrj.jpg.html


TIA
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The Savage barrel has some stamps on it. The Walther barrel might be clean. The Walther is better finished.

The easy way to tell them apart is to seat a 180 gr bullet to 2.9 and see if it drops all the way in. If it does, it is a Savage.

The Savage barrel shoots longer bullets very well. Nothing wroing with it, except it does not shoot milsurp well.
 
using a handloaded 155gr SMK at 2.88" it was a nice tight fit into the chamber laterally and lengthwise as well.

the DA 65 round was actually loose in the chamber laterally and yes did drop in quite easily.
So this must be a Walther .308 barrel, no?
there are no markings on the barrel and it is well finished....lucky me i assume?
 
The "aftermarket" barrel on my CIL has no markings except for "223" up near the receiver. It also has a base for some sort of long departed front sight (assuming the former diopter). I haven't had the barrel off to see if there any markings on the "butt" of the chamber. Any chance this could be a Walther?

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The Walther is an excellent barrel. I turned one into a 300MAg. Nice thing about the Savage is the option of 3 different size bolt heads.
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njohnson said:
Sorry for the late reply, just came across this post. I can tell you a little more about the stock, but not sure about who fitted it to the barreled action.

The stock is, or resembles exactly a Hans Adlhoch laminate stock. Hans lived in Victoria, was a cabinet maker as far as I recall and shot small Bore for Canada in the 1976 Olympic Games as well as multiple other world level events. I met Hans when I started back into Full Bore shooting in the 90’s. He had a great sense of humour, was a fairly unconventional personality and a great shot.

ht tps. ://olympic.ca/team-canada/hans-adlhoch/

Some of the 3P influences show in the pistol grip angle and wide fore end.

He made up those stocks in a very simple low cost laminate and handful of BC shooters used them years back. I have one sitting in my safe right now.

The bedding and pillar installation looks a little rougher than what I saw as examples of his work or other local guys so I’m not sure who did the fitting and bedding. A shooter from Washington state had him make up one of those stocks in a beautiful two tone Walnut and it was finished to perfection. Otherwise they were the light Color as seen in yours.

Hope that helps shed a little light.
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Hey I have one of Hans Rifles maybe you might know some info about it.
 
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