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Heeey!!!
Mastercraft is awesome!
Mine never broke and I use them about twice a year!!!(sarcasm)
I seen your work and it’s very nice, but I got to disagree about the tools,
I’ve been doing carpentry work for 35 yrs and good tools do matter.
I’ve seen King Kanada chop saws that couldn’t cut a piece of 2x6 square.
So ya , King Kanada can eat a bowl of #### soup.
As for CNC machinery, I don’t get how there can be so many different issues , is all.
Is it more of a sh!tty tool issue? Or inexpensived apprentices ?
the machine doesn't do "everything"
the operator is responsible for setups, including fixturing work and indicating and zeroing tools. There is plenty of room for error here.
before that, the operator is responsible for maintaining the machine. Making sure the mill is trammed and square. Making sure the vice is trammed and square. Zeroing tool heights. Maintaining tools, measuring wear, etc.
The CAM programmer also needs to be good at his job. He needs to set feeds & speeds, making sure he is cutting within the constraints of his tooling and machine to ensure sufficient surface finish. He needs to use appropriate toolpaths for appropriate cuts, in the appropriate order, with realistic setups.
All of these considerations are subject to human error, and are exacerbated by trying to manufacture faster than you staff and machines are capable of.
i don't know what your understanding of CNC is, but it's nowhere near as simple as clamping stock in a machine and pressing go.
I’ve owned an MV and an MS, I was on the Mac def bandwagon but as soon as rick announced the MS , I quickly dropped the Mac def.
It would be beneficial to us if they succeed, keeps everyone in check.
So, if you put ATRS machine side by side with Macdef machine and used the same operater, would you get the same results?
It would be beneficial to us if they succeed, keeps everyone in check.
So, if you put ATRS machine side by side with Macdef machine and used the same operater, would you get the same results?
the actual machine used is probably one of the least important considerations. An expensive machine might add features that can increase the expediency of manufacturing or flexibility of the machine, but it won't necessarily make better parts.
as i described, the CNC manufacturing process has a lot of actors and moving parts. ATRS machinists could easily make their product on the Macdef machine to their standard, and vice versa.
If that's at 100 yards thats outstanding !!!
Hell ill bite....
my number as you can see is 101, no issues at all with it. The screw to take down does kinda suck ill admit. However I do think it makes for a very accurate platform.
At the end of the day is it worth $1000? I don't think so.... Is it Accurate?? well this 6.5G is a 5 shot group at 100...
Off hand standing at 200 yards hitting a 12" round plate is not even fun, its effortless. Who am I Joking its pretty fun.
I jumped on the BCL bandwagon at the start and I can say without a doubt biggest pile of Sh.t I've ever owned. While this may not be perfect or worth 1000. Its easier to fix the minor errors. ( not that I had any, and I've fully stripped this 3 times now as you can see the new cerekote)
I have over $3000 into it, waste of money? each to their own =)
Im excited to get a ATRS as well however, and not to be a #### and maybe I'm wrong but If it wasn't for macdef submitting this through it wouldn't have opened the doors. same as BCL before STAG
so I give credit where due. Just the same as the modern hunter (modern shotgun) (disclosure I've shot 3 modern hunters all sub moa).
It seems a lot of these platforms get a lot of hate for various reasons. While I cant comment on what I dont own, I feel I can with what I have.
At the end of the day it should just piss us all off that we have to toe around this BS of what a legal and non legal AR is.
and no offense to these companies but if a AR15 if variant wasn't a term I would be paying my hard earned money for a KAC, Noveske or Radian... just my .02c
my number as you can see is 101, no issues at all with it. The screw to take down does kinda suck ill admit. However I do think it makes for a very accurate platform.
At the end of the day is it worth $1000? I don't think so.... Is it Accurate?? well this 6.5G is a 5 shot group at 100...
Off hand standing at 200 yards hitting a 12" round plate is not even fun, its effortless. Who am I Joking its pretty fun.
I jumped on the BCL bandwagon at the start and I can say without a doubt biggest pile of Sh.t I've ever owned. While this may not be perfect or worth 1000. Its easier to fix the minor errors. ( not that I had any, and I've fully stripped this 3 times now as you can see the new cerekote)
I have over $3000 into it, waste of money? each to their own =)
Im excited to get a ATRS as well however, and not to be a #### and maybe I'm wrong but If it wasn't for macdef submitting this through it wouldn't have opened the doors. same as BCL before STAG
so I give credit where due. Just the same as the modern hunter (modern shotgun) (disclosure I've shot 3 modern hunters all sub moa).
It seems a lot of these platforms get a lot of hate for various reasons. While I cant comment on what I dont own, I feel I can with what I have.
At the end of the day it should just piss us all off that we have to toe around this BS of what a legal and non legal AR is.
and no offense to these companies but if a AR15 if variant wasn't a term I would be paying my hard earned money for a KAC, Noveske or Radian... just my .02c
I thought the cartridge style triggers didn’t fit the SLR? Or is it just some?
If the pupose of the post is to simply show the diff between the two products, why post in ATRS forum?Owning both I thought I'd post a few pictures here to show some differences for those trying to make a decision.
Just received this set a couple days ago and am still waiting on some parts so it's not yet assembled but here it is:
Initially it looks pretty well done. Anodizing is dull but consistent. Still looks good though.
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But then I noticed a couple issues with the machining:
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Hole in upper isn't large enough to insert the gas tube. Not really a big deal though.
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And then there's this ^^^ Not quite sure what happened here
Now a few pics of the MS receiver. This ones assembled but you can still see what it's like:
Fit and finish is nice. Anodizing is a nice deep colored smooth hard finish. Doesn't mark easily.
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^^^ Magwell is cut perfectly
I could not find a single machining issue anywhere on the MS receiver.
I'm glad there are companies building these products and we have options that until recently didn't exist. That being said I'm extremely impressed with the level of build quality and attention to detail that ATRS puts into their product. The MS is by far my favorite.
*please note, the purpose of this post is simply to show the difference between the two products and let you decide for yourself.
Post it in an open forum, where sh!t can’t be deleted.
