Making AR15 lowers from scratch? Did RCMP kill it?

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With the RCMP declaration that 80% lowers, and 0% forgings, are prohibited, are people still making their own lowers?

Discussing the topic over beers with a few friends, got wondering if this is even possible now for the private individual to make an AR15 lower. Once you saw a chunk of aluminum off a length of bar stock, does it becoming a prohibited 0% forging?

I followed a bit of the reclassification stuff the RCMP pulled but I don't recall what happened with the prospect of building your own guns. Did they declare it all dead without a manufacturing license?
 
Armedsask said:
With the RCMP declaration that 80% lowers, and 0% forgings, are prohibited, are people still making their own lowers?

Discussing the topic over beers with a few friends, got wondering if this is even possible now for the private individual to make an AR15 lower. Once you saw a chunk of aluminum off a length of bar stock, does it becoming a prohibited 0% forging?

I followed a bit of the reclassification stuff the RCMP pulled but I don't recall what happened with the prospect of building your own guns. Did they declare it all dead without a manufacturing license?
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My understanding is that it is all about intent.
If you have a chunk of material that you intend to make into a restricted firearm , I think you have to get a registration #
You can still purchase forgings and partially machined (up to 80%) receivers but the process to purchase those is the same as for a restricted firearm.
I do not believe there are any changes to making non restricted firearms from scratch though....... but again I haven't read anything to suggest to me otherwise
you only need a manufacturers license if you plan to make said firearm for sale.

you could always call the cfc and ask but if you do.... call and talk to at least 3 different people and take the average of thier 3 responses hahaha
 
I believe that the RCMP stopped all importation of any 80% receivers, forgings, castings, receiver flats etc. for firearms that have a full auto variant. So no AR15 forgings, AK, G3, MP5 receiver flats. But there are companies in the US that manufacture 80% AR15 lowers that are not from forgings and have no full auto variants, so perhaps these could be imported.

This is all academic though. In the real world they do not want any non-regulated receivers being imported, regardless of their completion status. If you register it before importation or they have a paper trail for the partial receiver then they will allow it.

Manufacture your own personal AR15 lower from a billet and register it under the “homemade” FRT and you should be kosher. Manufacture more than one and they will probably push you to get a firearms business licence.
 
My understanding was that all aluminum that can be made into a firearm must now be registered.

YMMV.
 
Bfranklin said:
My understanding was that all aluminum that can be made into a firearm must now be registered.

YMMV.
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So technically, I need to register my 6 foot bar of 2x4 aluminum bar stock because I can make it into a lower? Typical RCMP clown show.

If I recall, I thought RCMP didn't just kill the import of 80% and 0% forgings, they declared them prohibited. So what are actual manufacturers doing? Can no one get forgings anymore even if you're a licensed manufacturer?
 
Armedsask said:
So technically, I need to register my 6 foot bar of 2x4 aluminum bar stock because I can make it into a lower? Typical RCMP clown show.

If I recall, I thought RCMP didn't just kill the import of 80% and 0% forgings, they declared them prohibited. So what are actual manufacturers doing? Can no one get forgings anymore even if you're a licensed manufacturer?
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Licensed manufacturers can have prohibited devices if their licence allows it.
So an AR manufacturer here in Canada might make full autos for LE and MIL....

Its not like our PAL where they are not giving them out. As a business you can get permission to have prohib stuff if you can show that it is needed
 
From a super reliable source, there are still lowers being made in Canada, legally as well. I think from the standpoint of newer manufactures as long as there is an FRT in place that you are building to, there is no issue. From a few talks with people in the "Know" at the RCMP Tech Lab there is still a way to navigate all the restrictions in regards to importation, it all comes down to how, and who does it, for what purpose.
 
Armedsask said:
If I recall, I thought RCMP didn't just kill the import of 80% and 0% forgings, they declared them prohibited. So what are actual manufacturers doing? Can no one get forgings anymore even if you're a licensed manufacturer?
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Manufacturers should be able to still get them. The RCMP not only declared them prohib, but bullied the domestic manufactures of 80% lowers to not sell them to the public. The businesses (somewhat understandably) complied, rather than risk their licenses / avoid raids on their premises and expensive lawsuits - and of course the corresponding long term ire of the RCMP.

As far as I’m aware, there is no legal definition of 80% lowers and they also don’t fall under the definition used to define a firearm. The RCMPs “opinion” has no merit - but it would take a court ruling to get them to back off making their own laws.

CBSA also ignores the firearm laws and just parrots what the RCMP tells them.
 
Armedsask said:
With the RCMP declaration that 80% lowers, and 0% forgings, are prohibited, are people still making their own lowers?

Discussing the topic over beers with a few friends, got wondering if this is even possible now for the private individual to make an AR15 lower. Once you saw a chunk of aluminum off a length of bar stock, does it becoming a prohibited 0% forging?

I followed a bit of the reclassification stuff the RCMP pulled but I don't recall what happened with the prospect of building your own guns. Did they declare it all dead without a manufacturing license?
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The RCMP never declared forgings prohibited.

Dafuk did you get that crap info from?
 
so can you buy a kit and make your own polymer lower? i have seen these kits for sale but was unsure about how to go about making it. i see no difference in machining your own lower or making a polymer one.
 
The forging or partially machined lower must be serial numbered and registered
There is no legal way to be in possession of such lowers if they have not been registered as per the changes the rcmp made.
Dlask was and maybe still is offering premium 1911 build kits with 80% lowers, but they are registered and a restricted transfer and ATT are required to purchase one.
 
JoKa said:
Licensed manufacturers can have prohibited devices if their licence allows it.
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I'm aware of the business licensing system, I've been with businesses that had it. My concern came from my understanding that 0% forgings were prohibited because they can be made into full auto. As you may know, in the RCMP eyes, once prohibited, always prohibited. That's was one of my major sources of confusions.

Dietz said:
The RCMP never declared forgings prohibited.

Dafuk did you get that crap info from?
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Back when the RCMP interpretations were first changing, my understanding, and the general concensus, was that 0% forgings were lumped in with 80% lowers. If I'm incorrect, I welcome any information to the contrary.

As you can see on the RCMP notice, it's pretty vague. It only says "reciever blank", not specifying a percentage of completion. One could understandably see how they may have include 0% forgings.
 
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I just checked Dlask. They are still selling raw forgings. I stand corrected. I could have swore the RCMP shut that down. I see they are also triple the price from last time I saw.

Must have been CGN panic I was reading.
 
JoKa said:
Licensed manufacturers can have prohibited devices if their licence allows it.
So an AR manufacturer here in Canada might make full autos for LE and MIL....

Its not like our PAL where they are not giving them out. As a business you can get permission to have prohib stuff if you can show that it is needed
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Somewhat correct.

You need a purchase order or letter of intent of sorts from LE / Mil from somewhere (could be anywhere in the world) in order to produce / possess prohib material. You can’t just start a business and start making full auto lowers.

I may be wrong but that is my understanding.
 
Bfranklin said:
Somewhat correct.

You need a purchase order or letter of intent of sorts from LE / Mil from somewhere (could be anywhere in the world) in order to produce / possess prohib material. You can’t just start a business and start making full auto lowers.

I may be wrong but that is my understanding.
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I believe they also allow for development of prohibited firearms or devices. So you could get permit for developing your own and technically just start making full auto. I could be wrong though, that was years ago and not my department.
 
Bfranklin said:
Somewhat correct.

You need a purchase order or letter of intent of sorts from LE / Mil from somewhere (could be anywhere in the world) in order to produce / possess prohib material. You can’t just start a business and start making full auto lowers.

I may be wrong but that is my understanding.
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Wonderful. International Merchants of Death get a pass, like HK and Glock selling to any Turd Whirled Despot with cold hard cash, and honest people get screwed. Business As Usual. :(
 
Armedsask said:
and the general concensus...
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Which was made up by the sheeple. Not from the RCMP themselves.

Armedsask said:
I just checked Dlask. They are still selling raw forgings. I stand corrected. I could have swore the RCMP shut that down. I see they are also triple the price from last time I saw.

Must have been CGN panic I was reading.
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They've been that price for a few years now.
 
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