TROY 102 308 sporter rifles

[chunkydrunky]

Seen this, I already have a stag 10 in 308, but could also use one in 243 or 6.5cm..either way, the more options the better.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1864622-TROY-Industries-Sporter-102-Non-Restricted-Semi-Auto-Rifle

 

[driller212]

If they have light profile barrels I'll probably get one just because. So sick of heavy profile barrels being the only option with the ar102/ar10 style rifles.

 

[jiffx2781]

Definitely interested in the .243 for a coyote rifle. Price point is attractive.

 

[rifleman762]

Nice to see AR10 type rifles in 243 . Now we just need some 22 Creedmoor or 22-243 Middlestead rifles! Of course, the beauty of the platform is that barrels are a cinch to swap.

 

[45ACPKING]

I guess the PROS
-trusted brand name
-the promise of .223/556 and other calibers from the small frame AR family (summer time)
-it's a nice price point

The CONS and what kills the deal for me altogether?
-ONE year warranty
-another "presale" ….. which I get , I was a retail manager and purchasing agent once upon a time...… but I've sworn off the pre-sale purchases, life is too short LOL

 

[Wal-Mart Greeter]

I guess the PROS
-trusted brand name
-the promise of .223/556 and other calibers from the small frame AR family (summer time)
-it's a nice price point

The CONS and what kills the deal for me altogether?
-ONE year warranty
-another "presale" ….. which I get , I was a retail manager and purchasing agent once upon a time...… but I've sworn off the pre-sale purchases, life is too short LOL

Yeah the pre-order thing is a joke. Since Ryan deleted my comment in the thread in his subforum, which is his right, I'm gonna say it again here for those who might be horrible with money:

A pre-sale is an interest free loan to a business who is going to take your money and use it to have rifles made that they will immediately sell to other vendors for a profit. While you wait on a waiting list that dealer is getting their rifles. When rifles sit on shelves that's when prices start to normalize. Wait for rifles to be in stock. A pre-order is ALWAYS a poor financial decision on the part of a consumer.

Waiting lists with a tiny deposit is one thing, pre-ordering is another.

 

[Runningfool]

Yeah the pre-order thing is a joke. Since Ryan deleted my comment in the thread in his subforum, which is his right, I'm gonna say it again here for those who might be horrible with money:

A pre-sale is an interest free loan to a business who is going to take your money and use it to have rifles made that they will immediately sell to other vendors for a profit. While you wait on a waiting list that dealer is getting their rifles. When rifles sit on shelves that's when prices start to normalize. Wait for rifles to be in stock. A pre-order is ALWAYS a poor financial decision on the part of a consumer.

Waiting lists with a tiny deposit is one thing, pre-ordering is another.

I tend to agree with you on this. While I’m sure there will be a few who have not been previously seduced by the bcl or the stag and will jump on this, I have a feeling the number of pre-orders on the Troy offering may be a little less than expected. Granted they are offering a minor discount for those who pay in full as well as the option of a partial deposit which tells me they are aware of the fact that times have changed. Iirc when the bcl102 preorder came out the only option was 100% down.

The Troy name is solid but the sub 2K NR 308 ship has been sailing for a year and a half. Add to that the absence of anything other than cad drawings, the promise of an frt pdf, and future discounts on 556 offerings (I mean no disrespect to Ryan by saying this but he’s dangled that carrot before and it looks like nothing will come of it. It hardly seems like any sort of credible incentive when it can be summarily dismissed as, “I told the new owners what the previous owner said”.).

Don’t get me wrong, there is nothing I want to see more than lots and lots of nr black rifles out in the wild. I just think the nr 308 black-rush is over, the pre-sale nr black rifle honeymoon is over. Collectively we are tired of the carrots. Just once I’d like to see something black, innovative, nr, tested, and ready to ship when I put down my money.

 

[Rebel Rouser]

Pre-order is a big red flag, saying I don't have the capital to buy the inventory. The worst was Questar with the FN Scars. With the number of people that paid for the pre-order, he was sitting on about $140,000 of people's money for 2 years. He used that money to buy inventory and flip it to make a profit.

 

[Rebel Rouser]

Everybody should be thanking Gadget for working on this project. Hopefully he chimes in here and gives more details of the 5.56mm version.

 

[Wal-Mart Greeter]

Pre-order is a big red flag, saying I don't have the capital to buy the inventory. The worst was Questar with the FN Scars. With the number of people that paid for the pre-order, he was sitting on about $140,000 of people's money for 2 years. He used that money to buy inventory and flip it to make a profit.

Yeah, even if the rifle you're taking orders for never makes it to Canada you've still been able to use the money to turn a profit on other inventory or at least pocket the interest... There isn't even a real incentive to ever deliver the rifles lol.

You get a way better rate on a loan from dumb ass gun owners than you do from the bank!

The Troy name is solid but the sub 2K NR 308 ship has been sailing for a year and a half.

Yeah I'm pretty sure the whole reason the .308 gun is coming first is so the whales who really want the .223 version will be forced into buying the .308 as well to get their name earlier on the list...

Think about it, non-restricted version of both calibers already exist. Does it really make a difference to Troy which caliber rifle hits the market first? Probably not. But what is the market in Canada wanting more right now? It's not the .308. The Modern Sporter is pre-sold out for a year and people are still jumping at the chance to get MDI SLRs... There's a huge gap in the market between the budget option with the WK180C (if you even consider that an option) and the high end ATRS set. People want a 5.56 black rifle. So use that to sell some extra Troy .308s to whales who just want the .223 as soon as possible...

It's not a stupid idea to sell the least anticipated model first and link the pre-orders.

 

[Runningfool]

Pre-order is a big red flag, saying I don't have the capital to buy the inventory...

I have a feeling Ryan and JR have the capital. But whereas years ago most thought their pre-order was primarily to secure their spot in line, most Canadian consumers now realize their money is probably covering the asses of those who commit to a certain volume as required by the manufacturer.

 

[Gatehouse]

When the BCL was announced, I bought 10 308 XCR mags in anticipation of it's arrival, but since I wasn't in a hurry, I never pre ordered one. Then the Stag came out and I was thinking I might go that route (got the mags, need to get a rifle, right?)

Now that the Troy is coming I might jump into that option. Likely in 6.5 CM. Or should I rebarrel the Ruger Precision to 6.5 cm and get a 308 Troy ? Decisions....

I had forgotten about those magazines until I stumbled into them in a box in the gun room the other day!!

I don't have any problem with pre orders, I will pre order stuff if I want to be first on the list, if I don't care, I will just wait. Listening to people whine about pre orders is actually the most annoying part of a pre order thread

Sometimes pre orders are nice because it's almost like Christmas morning when it shows up, and I have long ago paid for the item.

 

[Firas]

When the BCL was announced, I bought 10 308 XCR mags in anticipation of it's arrival, but since I wasn't in a hurry, I never pre ordered one. Then the Stag came out and I was thinking I might go that route (got the mags, need to get a rifle, right?)

Now that the Troy is coming I might jump into that option. Likely in 6.5 CM. Or should I rebarrel the Ruger Precision to 6.5 cm and get a 308 Troy ? Decisions....

I had forgotten about those magazines until I stumbled into them in a box in the gun room the other day!!

I don't have any problem with pre orders, I will pre order stuff if I want to be first on the list, if I don't care, I will just wait. Listening to people whine about pre orders is actually the most annoying part of a pre order thread

Sometimes pre orders are nice because it's almost like Christmas morning when it shows up, and I have long ago paid for the item.

Great thinking on all points....I just bought a .357 takedown lever gun because I had a bunch of .357 ammo and no gun to shoot it in....4 days after buying a marlin 336 in .32spl because I found some old .32spl brass that belonged to my grandfather....I have a problem too

I am glad I never jumped on either the BLC or Stag trains yet because the longer I wait the more options there are and less "first gen malfunctions" in whatever I decide to adopt.

I tend to side with the "pre orders are bad for the consumer side", but honestly I agree that complaining doesnt accomplish much...the people that will preorder will do so regardless of how much complaining goes on.

You are right, there is a certain joy to getting something that is long paid for

 

[Wal-Mart Greeter]

Sometimes pre orders are nice because it's almost like Christmas morning when it shows up, and I have long ago paid for the item.

... yeah paid for so long ago that you've lost 50% of the items resale value before even opening the box lmfao

Must be nice to have so much money to burn that you find it magical watching it go up the chimney with Santa Claus like a puff of smoke! You must work in public service.

 

[Rebel Rouser]

I have a feeling Ryan and JR have the capital. But whereas years ago most thought their pre-order was primarily to secure their spot in line, most Canadian consumers now realize their money is probably covering the asses of those who commit to a certain volume as required by the manufacturer.

One of them still owes their former business partners 100's of thousand of dollars and still hasn't complied with a court order...

 

[mmattockx]

A pre-order is ALWAYS a poor financial decision on the part of a consumer.

That's quite a broad brush you are painting with there. Value is always subjective and what you think is a terrible idea might be perfectly reasonable for the next guy. If you don't miss the money and just HAVE to be the first on your block with the newest, shiniest toy then a pre-order may make perfect sense for you.


Mark

 

[Wal-Mart Greeter]

That's quite a broad brush you are painting with there. Value is always subjective and what you think is a terrible idea might be perfectly reasonable for the next guy. If you don't miss the money and just HAVE to be the first on your block with the newest, shiniest toy then a pre-order may make perfect sense for you.


Mark

I said FINANCIAL decision. As in from a perspective of best way to manage your money. You could have kept the money in your savings account and been ahead on interest while still getting the rifle at the exact same moment in time by buying it off the shelf from another vendor... There's nothing subjective about value, there.

I'm not trying to tell you not to do it... I'm just saying that from the standpoint of most efficient way to spend your money a pre-order is always a terrible idea. That may not matter to you, I was just making the point for those who may not have thought about it and are about to pay 3 months worth of interest on their credit card...

 

[Runningfool]

Nm.

 

[Gatehouse]

... yeah paid for so long ago that you've lost 50% of the items resale value before even opening the box lmfao

Must be nice to have so much money to burn that you find it magical watching it go up the chimney with Santa Claus like a puff of smoke! You must work in public service.

Self employed. I do okay. Even if your "50%" figure was true (it's not) The cost of ordering one of these Troy rifles isn't an expense that I would be worrying about losing resale value on. It's only $1800 or so. The resale value concern is a largely irrelevant to most shooters, we don't buy guns to resell them, we buy guns to shoot them.

Most people that go for the shiny new toy pay a premium compared to a year or two after the items hit the shelves, it's only a poor financial decision if you can't afford it or have to finance the purchase.

 

[robab]

Isn’t this thread supposed to be about the rifles ? If you don’t want to pre order don’t. If someone decided to pre order. It’s their money and last time I checked we had enough discretion in this country to use our money as we see fit.
Back to the rifle. I’d like to see some pics of a real rifle and more details. Also the NR 5.56 what is that even about. Does it use a different receiver like an Atrs??