Cree hunter upset after Quebec police question if his guns are registered

CV32 said:
I was speaking generally about your comment regarding 'common sense' in court decisions, but I am sure you have heard that Quebec's new secularism law will effectively remove some of the religious freedoms that its public servants previously enjoyed, and invoke the notwithstanding clause to keep the Charter (in many respects this country's most fundamental piece of legislation) from intervening.

Last summer the Supreme Court of Canada refused to recognize Trinity Western's religious requirements that it wanted to impose in a new law school.

Race or religion is not the free pass that you might think it is.
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You gave no examples legislation being removed for everyone, due to religious exemptions, in fact you gave examples where the religious exemptions were removed.
 
stubblejumper said:
You gave no examples legislation being removed for everyone, due to religious exemptions, in fact you gave examples where the religious exemptions were removed.
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And the present case, if there was one, would be a case where a race or heritage based exemption would be sought to be imposed to change the impact of legislation.

Even your turban/helmet example arises from something similar. Baljinder Badesha, a Sikh, challenged the Ontario motorcycle helmet law back in 2008. He lost, including on appeal. A decade later, there is an exception for Sikhs in Ontario (among a few other provinces.)

The point you are missing is that it doesn't all flow in a single direction, as you suggested. Nor is it about race or religion.

If you're stuck on religion, I suppose you could consider the changes that have come about to LGBTQ issues, how religion (or morality, if you prefer) previously guided the direction of the law (e.g. sodomy), and how it has changed over time.

But in any case, its not about that. Its about dismantling a piece of legislation, however you can, period.
 
1963beretta said:
I dont think like them....I think about how they think.....if that makes any sense.... Perception is easy to predict when if comes to the left
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So don't get hung up on how the antis would think, because as I said, they're fixated on getting rid of guns in any way possible. They're the ones, for example, who claimed high rates of compliance with the LGR and heaped praise on it.
 
Obviously the article doesn’t paint the whole picture but it smacks of entitlement. According to the article, he didn’t say the Quebec law is flawed, he didn’t say the people of la belle province should not be subject to this poor piece of legislation; he said he didn’t appreciate being questioned and went right to muh traditions and worrying about his elders. He didn’t even get fined. He also said he plans to comply, he just hadn’t gotten around to it. That doesn’t sound like someone who is interested in effecting change.

I think most of us get what you are saying cv32. I don’t like anyone getting static over bad laws. But if I ever get in hot water over using my Beowulf mags, you can bet my quote to the paper will revolve around the legality. My heritage, traditions, race, ###ual orientation, etc. really has nothing to do with it.
 
Runningfool said:
Obviously the article doesn’t paint the whole picture but it smacks of entitlement. According to the article, he didn’t say the Quebec law is flawed, he didn’t say the people of la belle province should not be subject to this poor piece of legislation; he said he didn’t appreciate being questioned and went right to muh traditions and worrying about his elders. He didn’t even get fined. He also said he plans to comply, he just hadn’t gotten around to it. That doesn’t sound like someone who is interested in effecting change. I think most of us get what you are saying cv32. I don’t like anyone getting static over bad laws. But if I ever get in hot water over using my Beowulf mags, you can bet my quote to the paper will revolve around the legality. My heritage, traditions, race, ###ual orientation, etc. really has nothing to do with it.
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As I have said multiple times now, his indigenous heritage and his personal motivations are quite apart from the bigger issue. If the guy was as white as a sheet of paper and had a lengthy criminal record, I wouldn't feel any differently about whether he ought to be charged under the Firearm Registration Act or the usefulness of the Act itself. A few others are fixating on the fact that he is Cree, but its really not relevant to anyone except him. If he is charged, and able to beat the charge because of it, good for him. (I don't see a solid legal argument for him on the point, but I wish him every success if it happened.) That's another brick out of the wall being built in front of all of us.
 
CV32 said:
As I have said multiple times now, his indigenous heritage and his personal motivations are quite apart from the bigger issue. If the guy was as white as a sheet of paper and had a lengthy criminal record, I wouldn't feel any differently about whether he ought to be charged under the Firearm Registration Act or the usefulness of the Act itself. A few others are fixating on the fact that he is Cree, but its really not relevant to anyone except him. If he is charged, and able to beat the charge because of it, good for him. (I don't see a solid legal argument for him on the point, but I wish him every success if it happened.) That's another brick out of the wall being built in front of all of us.
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I get that. I just thought we were discussing the article as posted in the OP.
The fact that he is Cree may not be relevant to you, but it sure as hell is relevant to more than him in this situation. I don’t know what the current climate is like in Quebec wrt the SQ officers but I’d be willing to wager your white-as-a-sheet-of-paper guy with a lengthy criminal record probably would have gotten a fine had he been in a similar situation. Would you not agree with that?
 
stubblejumper said:
This guy is not making a fuss because he feels the law is wrong for all residents, he is making a fuss, because he feels natives such as himself , should not be bothered with such things. If the Quebec government simply made natives exempt, he wouldn't care if everyone else still had to comply. And an exemption for natives, would make it far less likely that the registry would be abolished.
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This! They don't care about us taxpayers at all! It's all about him, how dare you ask ME for anything!
 
CV32 said:
As I have said multiple times now, his indigenous heritage and his personal motivations are quite apart from the bigger issue. If the guy was as white as a sheet of paper and had a lengthy criminal record, I wouldn't feel any differently about whether he ought to be charged under the Firearm Registration Act or the usefulness of the Act itself. A few others are fixating on the fact that he is Cree, but its really not relevant to anyone except him. If he is charged, and able to beat the charge because of it, good for him. (I don't see a solid legal argument for him on the point, but I wish him every success if it happened.) That's another brick out of the wall being built in front of all of us.
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The point is that his complaint was based entirely on the fact that he is Cree, and as such, he shouldn"t have been asked if his firearm was registered.
 
CV32 said:
So don't get hung up on how the antis would think, because as I said, they're fixated on getting rid of guns in any way possible. They're the ones, for example, who claimed high rates of compliance with the LGR and heaped praise on it.
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Hard not to get hung up on it...just look at the title of the article. “Cree hunter upset after Quebec police question if his guns are registered”. Clickbait at its finest. One opens up the article to read whats up and gets a pile of crap that does nothing to address anything with regards to the shortcomings and nonsense of a registry. Instead, all anyone gets out of it is “leave us alone to hunt however we want”. Would have been better if the title of the article was “Cree hunter upset that his hunt was interrupted by a Quebec police officer”. Leave guns out of it all together seeing that it was irrelevant to the basis of the article. Would have likely had less anti traffic. Oh wait, I forgot....the media caters to that crowd
 
Runningfool said:
I get that. I just thought we were discussing the article as posted in the OP.
The fact that he is Cree may not be relevant to you, but it sure as hell is relevant to more than him in this situation. I don’t know what the current climate is like in Quebec wrt the SQ officers but I’d be willing to wager your white-as-a-sheet-of-paper guy with a lengthy criminal record probably would have gotten a fine had he been in a similar situation. Would you not agree with that?
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Quite possible, and my point is that I would not blame him for noncompliance and I would support him defending the charge and trying to challenge the legislation.
 
1963beretta said:
Hard not to get hung up on it...just look at the title of the article. “Cree hunter upset after Quebec police question if his guns are registered”. Clickbait at its finest. One opens up the article to read whats up and gets a pile of crap that does nothing to address anything with regards to the shortcomings and nonsense of a registry. Instead, all anyone gets out of it is “leave us alone to hunt however we want”. Would have been better if the title of the article was “Cree hunter upset that his hunt was interrupted by a Quebec police officer”. Leave guns out of it all together seeing that it was irrelevant to the basis of the article. Would have likely had less anti traffic. Oh wait, I forgot....the media caters to that crowd
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I understand thats how you see it. I'm saying I look past that issue and see the Firearms Registration Act for what it is. A piece of crap.
 
stubblejumper said:
If your only concern is the big picture, and this entire story is irrelevant to the big picture, why did you even respond to this thread?
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Because the big picture is important, obviously. Any time a firearms registry comes up, it is important to all of us. If you can't see that, I don't know what else to say to you.
 
CV32 said:
Because the big picture is important, obviously. Any time a firearms registry comes up, it is important to all of us. If you can't see that, I don't know what else to say to you.
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This is true. I guess the difference in opinions rests in how this article is interpreted. Some of us feel that its an article about the gun registry and some of feel that it isn't.
 
My take on this is that no matter who he was F.N-white-brown ect. he just found out that the Fudd's are just as big of a target to the SQ as every other gun owner in Quebec...and that surprised him.
 
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