No.4 Mk.1 furniture makers

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I was wondering if anyone knows who made wood for the British No.4 Mk.1 in 1942. My 1942 Shirley has what I believe to be the original stock, wood patina matches perfectly from piece to piece. I believe it to be English walnut as it is dark brown. Both the butt stock and fore stock have an S stamped into them but it isn't the Savage type S, it just looks like a normal S. The handgaurds are both stamped on their interiors with JC for John Curtis. I am wondering who could have made the butt and forestock
 
How helpful.... unless you are implying the S stands for Shirley which they didn’t use as far as I know. In 1942 they stamped parts with the B stamp and switched to M47C in 1944

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The one company I know off the top of my head was Slazenger, who are well known for their tennis rackets. There is a code to the markings applied to firearms parts to supposed deceive the Germans into not bombing well known factories. The parts have a letter and two digits code. The letter was which part of the country and the numbers the plant. But --- the beauty of the No.4 was how few parts were made by the assembly plant. Almost everything was subcontracted.
 
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Ah fair enough! Thought you were implying Shirley, then I felt really dumb, the remembered they used the B stamp. This one has lots of singer parts (rear sight, front sight guard (SMC), wood metal caps (N67), and few others) lots of subcontractor parts for sure. I went to a page indicating marks and factories but there are none with just S except for savage but this is defintely not just a savage S

Front forestock and butt appear to have SL, might fit the slazenger narrative. Looks like slazenger bought the William Sykes factory in 42 due to theirs being destroyed. I am convinced this is slazenger furniture now, fits the SL stamp and the period. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction guys

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There is a code to the markings applied to firearms parts to supposed deceive the Germans into not bombing well known factories. The parts have a letter and two digits code. The letter was which part of the country and the numbers the plant.

That's the dispersal code system - used for the reasons you mentioned. Three possible letters were assigned, based on location within the UK - N - North, M - Middle, S - South. Then up to three numbers and occasionally a letter thrown in as the factory designator.
 
Ah fair enough! Thought you were implying Shirley, then I felt really dumb, the remembered they used the B stamp. This one has lots of singer parts (rear sight, front sight guard (SMC), wood metal caps (N67), and few others) lots of subcontractor parts for sure. I went to a page indicating marks and factories but there are none with just S except for savage but this is defintely not just a savage S

Front forestock and butt appear to have SL, might fit the slazenger narrative. Looks like slazenger bought the William Sykes factory in 42 due to theirs being destroyed. I am convinced this is slazenger furniture now, fits the SL stamp and the period. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction guys

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Very interesting, thanks for sharing. :)
 
Furniture was made by the London, Midland & Scottish Railway, John Curtis & Sons, H. Morris, W. Sykes, and Wilkinsons Ltd.
 
Thank you! I think my fore and butt stock are William Sykes and my hand guards are John Curtis. Is this possible on an original stock or should they all be the same maker.
 
Is this marking on one of your rifles? As far as I know CE was CE Welstead out of the UK. 67 could maybe be a factory number? But usually it’s something like N67 for Singer Manufacture.
 
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