C-71 set for third reading Tomorrow.

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So according to reports in the National Post, looks like C71 will be going through the Senate for third reading/vote TOMORROW, and all intelligent/logical reforms proposed have been rejected (but at least they also rejected that nut-bar lady's attempt to piggy back a handgun ban in too)...

Anyways, I'm posting this because we get inundated with questions on C71 as they pertain to orders for Modern Sporters and other rifles. Biggest question we usually get is "Do you think it'll go through?" and the answer to that with this latest news, is a resounding "Unfortunately".

So to clarify, if the order is paid in full, the invoice is closed, serial number assigned and paperwork is filed. The sale and transaction are complete and not subject to C71, from that point forward it is YOUR rifle and we are simply doing some work to it. The paperwork being finalized and closed, is the point at which the sale is completed.

If you have a deposit down, the rifle is still property of ATRS, and the deposit is a promise of a sale, but the sale is not completed. So in that case if the paperwork is finalized AFTER C71 the sale is completed after and subject to the regulations. I'd suggest reading up on it to determine your own comfort level, but while it's not a "registry", a reference number is required for every sale either business to private individual, or private individual to private individual.

Links are located here:
https://openparliament.ca/bills/42-1/C-71/
https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-71/third-reading
https://ipolitics.ca/2019/05/07/liberal-gun-bill-finally-set-to-clear-parliament/?fbclid=IwAR1AX-EYqI59M_VDEsHTpStdpAEIX497riiYCeRFXRSYgc8T6w-p9mL_xEE
 
So if it does pass it still takes time to go into effect correct? So a modern Sporter would not need to be paid in full today, just before it becomes law?
 
Wouldn't the regulations begin to apply after the bill receives royal assent? That can happen next week, or it can take several weeks or months. It's not law until then.
 
kapanak said:
Wouldn't the regulations begin to apply after the bill receives royal assent? That can happen next week, or it can take several weeks or months. It's not law until then.
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This is true but the horse cops are chomping at the bit to enforce more assinign regulations as soon as they can and will more than likely try to enforce this garbage before it receives royal assent
 
kapanak said:
Wouldn't the regulations begin to apply after the bill receives royal assent? That can happen next week, or it can take several weeks or months. It's not law until then.
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Considering how little time is left in session before the election cycle begins, it won't be long before this receives royal assent.
 
kapanak said:
Wouldn't the regulations begin to apply after the bill receives royal assent? That can happen next week, or it can take several weeks or months. It's not law until then.
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Suther said:
Considering how little time is left in session before the election cycle begins, it won't be long before this receives royal assent.
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This is exactly my concern, and I've had numerous people ask me my opinion on whether or not they should be worried or concerned about C71 happening. I've been trying to be optimistic and hoping that it will get delayed until we get a new government, but it's pretty clear that is not happening at this point. So I apologize, I'm not trying to fear-monger but I had several people, too many for me to remember individually, ask me my own personal opinion, and these directly and immediately alters my opinion on the topic. Hence a post.

The previous comment regarding this not becoming law until royal assent is 100% accurate as well.
 
Len One O said:
So if it does pass it still takes time to go into effect correct?
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Third reading vote (this week), then
Royal Assent (this week), then
Coming into Force dates (unknown, but could be this week).





Coming into Force
Order in council
22 (1) Section 1, subsections 3(2) and 4(2) and sections 16 and 18 to 21 come into force on a day to be fixed by order of the Governor in Council.
Order in council
(2) Section 2 comes into force on a day to be fixed by order of the Governor in Council.
Order in council
(3) Subsection 4(3) and sections 6, 8 and 15 come into force on a day to be fixed by order of the Governor in Council.
Order in council
(4) Sections 5 and 9 to 11 and subsection 13(1) come into force on a day to be fixed by order of the Governor in Council.
Order in council
(5) Section 7, subsection 13(3) and section 14 come into force on a day to be fixed by order of the Governor in Council, but that day must not be before the day referred to in subsection (4).
-- Bill C-71, Third Reading, Text of the Bill, https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-71/third-reading#enH606​



Governor in Council means that as soon as it gets Royal Assent, Minister of Public Safety Ralph Goodale can Gazette when he wants the various sections to come into force. For example, if the Canadian Firearms Program doesn't have the software ready to issue Reference Numbers, Goodale may delay that section until that time.
 
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And gives Quebec their LGR data for their LGR.
And a few other things, such as ...
- 5 year mention removed, although the CFOs are looking at your entire CFIS information anyway
- makes every verify PALs for NR (not just see the PAL) and get a Reference Number to prove that they did (Buyer/SellerPAL,Date,Ref# to be kept forever by CFP),
- vendors keep records for 20 years. If they go out-of-business that info is given to CFO
- auto ATTs to gunsmiths and borders removed, but your ATT still covers delivering it to police for destruction, and ranges. Note that a Judge said that removing gunsmiths was a detriment to public safety
- gets rid of the ability for the minister to name a firearm as non-restricted, but keeps the ability for the minister to name them as restricted and prohibited. This is 'sold' on the premise that only the RCMP know how to classify firearms and minister's don't and might act for political reasons. (like this whole bill)
- Prohibits by Act the CZ858/SwissArms. Will require an Act (majority government, majority senate) to undo.



Donster 125 said:
I’ve read so much misinformation on this. In a nutshell, what does C-71 actually do?
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SUMMARY
Part 1 of this Act amends the Firearms Act to, among other things,
(a) remove the reference to the five-year period, set out in subsection 5(2) of that Act, that applies to the mandatory consideration of certain eligibility criteria for holding a licence;
(b) require, when a non-restricted firearm is transferred, that the transferee’s firearms licence be verified by the Registrar of Firearms and that businesses keep certain information related to the transfer; and
(c) remove certain automatic authorizations to transport prohibited and restricted firearms.
Part 1 also amends the Criminal Code to repeal the authority of the Governor in Council to prescribe by regulation that a prohibited or restricted firearm be a non-restricted firearm or that a prohibited firearm be a restricted firearm and, in consequence, the Part
(a) repeals certain provisions of regulations made under the Criminal Code; and
(b) amends the Firearms Act to grandfather certain individuals and firearms, including firearms previously prescribed as restricted or non-restricted firearms in those provisions.
Furthermore, Part 1 amends section 115 of the Criminal Code to clarify that firearms and other things seized and detained by, or surrendered to, a peace officer at the time a prohibition order referred to in that section is made are forfeited to the Crown.
Part 2, among other things,
(a) amends the Ending the Long-gun Registry Act, by repealing the amendments made by the Economic Action Plan 2015 Act, No. 1, to retroactively restore the application of the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act to the records related to the registration of non-restricted firearms until the day on which this enactment receives royal assent;
(b) provides that the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act continue to apply to proceedings that were initiated under those Acts before that day until the proceedings are finally disposed of, settled or abandoned; and
(c) directs the Commissioner of Firearms to provide the minister of the Government of Quebec responsible for public security with a copy of such records, at that minister’s request.
-- https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-71/third-reading
 
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ATRS Shaun said:
a reference number is required for every sale either business to private individual, or private individual to private individual.
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Have been out of the loop for a bit on this bill, are they really expecting people to voluntarily enlist themselves into this not-registry during a private to private sale?
 
So all the cross country town hall meetings, senate meetings, surveys, emails, letters, e-petitions, phone calls and written submissions, the liberals being liberals will pass Bill-C71 completely unaltered? Echoes of the passing of the liberal Firearm Act of 1995. "We listened to Canadians from coast to coast to coast and in accordance with liberal ideology, we are going to pass this Bill into law. Have a nice day."
 
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