C-71 set for third reading Tomorrow.

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Darkwater said:
You wanna play with guns? Buy a safe.
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Most safes can be rather easily broken into given enough time and proper tools... There are plenty of videos around that show how. An angle grinder is all it takes for many safes that cost thousands of dollars. A safe may stop a casual thief, but not a determined one... Why should honest citizens be blamed for the acts of the dishonest members of society via the imposition of ever increasing draconian rules and regulations?
 
Darkwater said:
Aside from smuggled firearms, firearms used in crimes are unlawfully obtained via theft and straw man purchasers...
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Somewhere Canadian firearms program and Public safety have all stats on thefts and straw man purchases and smuggled guns.

Oh, wait they don't do stats that way. Every gun with removed SN is deemed domestically sourced. Winning!
 
Wiskey1 said:
please stop spreading bull#### information,C=71 is nowhere near a LGR,,they're not even taking any firearm info,so much for the LGR fear mongering,
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I agree on this. It does not help our cause to actually confuse and spread half truth about it, bothered my also by many witnesses. Better focus on more real issues in C-71.
RCMP would have to query every Firearms business to get information if you purchased a NR rifle, which they could, but a lot of information to go thru, and not sure how it would pan out for such small businesses that don't have a computer record keeping and file stuff based on??? how would they find a specific transaction. Not sure the Legislation says how to keep it only they have to keep some record, but if they can't produce results of it cause its not stored in a way that is helpful to find anything (lets say just date wise), RCMP can't expect them to go thru thousands of receipts I would think.
And besides most businesses would have the info today already as a lot of business keep sale records which may contain such information for their own record keeping. Not sure of RCMP could not compel them already to release some information.
 
swissey said:
I agree on this. It does not help our cause to actually confuse and spread half truth about it, bothered my also by many witnesses. Better focus on more real issues in C-71.
RCMP would have to query every Firearms business to get information if you purchased a NR rifle, which they could, but a lot of information to go thru, and not sure how it would pan out for such small businesses that don't have a computer record keeping and file stuff based on??? how would they find a specific transaction. Not sure the Legislation says how to keep it only they have to keep some record, but if they can't produce results of it cause its not stored in a way that is helpful to find anything (lets say just date wise), RCMP can't expect them to go thru thousands of receipts I would think.
And besides most businesses would have the info today already as a lot of business keep sale records which may contain such information for their own record keeping. Not sure of RCMP could not compel them already to release some information.
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So much self deluding rationalizations...............so much head in the sand..........so sad.........
 
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chicu1981 said:
My restricted to non- restricted ratio is very high 24/30. Does not matter to me.
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It matters to you a lot more than you think. With C-71 you have to ask for a STATT to take your restricted to a gunsmith.

So no going to a gunsmith on week-ends unless you asked permission first.
 
Soo what the heck.. Adjourned again? They need to build up more of a case / argument other than out of country past issues? They shrugged that off very fast did they not?
 
BlackVoid said:
Do NOT listen if you want to keep your blood pressure in check. Lies, fact twisting, empty rhetoric with straight faces and paid by our taxes.
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One senator said that 2013 was not a pivot year but rather an inflection point (or something like that) and StatCan said it was a good year for that.
He talked about how despite the huge volume of letters from firearms owners, he didn't believe that most firearms owners were opposed to Bill C71, but rather that most firearms owners were in favour of Bill C71 and even tighter gun control, and added that polls say that Canadians are in favour of C71 and even tighter gun control.
He continued with the same stats that CBC did, namely

RangeBob said:
On tonight's (May 7) The National...

Vic Toews "Our position on the LGR has been clear, it does nothing to help to put an end to gun crimes, nor has it saved one Canadian life"
Firearm Homicide
1991: 271
2013: 134
2017: 266
CBC Narrator: "In fact the number of firearm homicides declined by about 50% during the years of the gun registry (1991-2012), and has climbed by about the same amount since it was repealed (2013-2017)"


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The registry really started in 2004. That's when we first had 6 million guns registered. It certainly wasn't in 1991.

In 2005, it was 224. The average 2005-2009: 197
In 2016, it was 223. The average 2012-2016: 172
So on average, since the registry was removed, it's been lower then the years right after the registry was there.
-- https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2017001/article/54879/tbl/tbl05-eng.htm
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It's a shame the Senators can't work from a "statement of facts". Just listened to Colin Deacon a Senator from Nova Scotia and appointed by Trudeau last summer. Definitely had the Liberal BS on every stat he spouted.
 
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