RCMP Notes on 858

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Has this RCMP clarification note been stickied?
No doubt it will be asked many more times by various interested folks.

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http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/...-loi/c71-grandfathering-droits-acquis-eng.htm

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Grandfathering of the Ceská Zbrojovka (CZ) Model CZ858 Tactical Series of Rifles

Information for clarification

Bill C-71 proposes changes that would impact some firearm owners in Canada. The information outlined below is intended to provide guidance to CZ/SA firearm owners should Bill C-71, as introduced in the House of Commons on March 20, 2018, become law.

Background

1. The purpose of this guide is to help owners of CZ858 rifles determine which group their firearm or firearms would fall into should Bill C-71 become law. The guide applies only to the four models which could be affected: CZ858 Tactical-2P, CZ858 Tactical-2V, CZ858 Tactical-4P, and CZ858 Tactical-4V.
2. The Ceská Zbrojovka (CZ) model CZ858 Tactical series of firearms, hereafter referred to as the “CZ858 rifle”, has been available in Canada since 2005. Four distinct models would be affected by the legislative changes proposed in Bill C-71, the CZ858 Tactical-2P, 2V, 4P and 4V, which differ in barrel length and stock configuration.
3. The CZ858 rifle is derived from the Soviet era Czechoslovakian selective fire Vz58 assault rifle by modifying the internal firing mechanism and re-marking the firearm. Consequently the rifle may bear original Czechoslovakian markings as well as modern Czech Republic markings.
4. Most CZ858 rifles would become prohibited firearms and would be eligible for grandfathering. However, some early models of CZ858 rifles would not be affected by the proposed legislation and would remain restricted or non-restricted firearms according to barrel length, and would not require grandfathering.
5. The two groups of firearms are identified by the pattern of proof marks present on the rear sight block of the rifle. In general, CZ858 rifles with a proof mark dated 2005 or 2006 would not be affected by the proposed legislation and would remain restricted or non-restricted firearms. Those CZ858 rifles with a proof mark dated 2007 or later would become prohibited firearms.

Step 1: Determine whether your rifle is a CZ858 Tactical rifle


6. The left side of the CZ858 rifle is marked with the serial number, model designation, caliber and manufacturer’s logo on the left side of the receiver above the trigger. The model designation must be one of the following:
CZ858 Tactical-2P
CZ858 Tactical-2V
CZ858 Tactical-4P
CZ858 Tactical-4V


Figure 1


Left side of the receiver of a CZ 858 Tactical-2P rifle depicting the make and model markings at the lower right, and the rear sight block at the upper left.7. The rear sight block is located forward of the receiver (action). The relevant proof marks are present on the left side of the rear sight block just below the rear sight.

Step 2: Determine whether your rifle would be an affected model


Generation #1 (Unaffected)


8. If the markings on the left side of the CZ858 rifle sight block follow the pattern below, the CZ858 rifle would be unaffected by the proposed legislation and would remain a restricted or non-restricted firearm. The “she” code for the manufacturer (Ceská Zbrojovka Uherský Brod) is visible at the upper left of the sight block. The military property mark (crossed swords) is to the right. Below those markings are the modern Czech Republic proof mark and date, in this case, 2005. A 2006 date is also possible.

Figure 2


Left side of the rear sight block showing the former Czechoslovakian and modern Czech Republic proof marks.

Generation #2 (Unaffected)

9. The markings on the left side of the second generation CZ858 rifle sight block, illustrated in figure 3 below, differ in that the original manufacturer’s markings have been removed. The upper portion of the left side of the sight block has been machined, removing the surface metal where the code for the manufacturer and the military property mark would have been located. The machined space is now occupied by the modern proof mark and date, in this case, 2006. Note the machined space occupies approximately half the surface of the left side of the rear sight block.

Figure 3


Left side of the rear sight block showing the small machined depression containing the modern Czech Republic proof.

Generation #3 (Affected)

10. The markings on the left side of the third generation CZ858 rifle sight block below, differ from the first and second generation rifles in that nearly all the surface of the left side of the rear sight block has been machined to create a depression. The machined space is now occupied by the modern Czech Republic proof mark and date, in this case, 2011. CZ858 Tactical rifles with this kind of marking would become prohibited and eligible for grandfathering should Bill C-71 become law.
11. Although this generation of CZ 858 rifle is typically associated with a proof mark dated 2007 or later, it is possible that some late production 2006 proof dated rifles will follow this pattern. These rifles would also become prohibited and eligible for grandfathering should Bill C-71 become law.

Figure 4


Left side of the rear sight block showing the large machined depression containing the modern Czech Republic proof marks.12. Third generation CZ858 rifles may also bear an arsenal repair code, in this case indicating the original Vz58 assault rifle was returned to the arsenal for repairs in 1975 and 1977.

Figure 5


Left side of the rear sight block showing the former Czechoslovakian arsenal repair code.
 
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Haven't seen this section of notes before, thanks for posting

858s are non restricted so not sure who this applies to, maybe they are talking about the ones that are already registered as Restricted?

What the rcmp and C71 say about the 858s is simply useless paperwork, legal jargon/propaganda

It will always be business as usual over here in the beautiful BC backcountry where I enjoy shooting my Non restricted firearms, and will do so till the day I die
 
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RCMP Notes on 858

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CZ858 Tactical-2P
CZ858 Tactical-2V
CZ858 Tactical-4P
CZ858 Tactical-4V

= Non restricted

Thanks RCMP lab for confirmation of what we already know
 
Perhaps we should volunteer our services and canvas organized crime, disorganized crime, killers and other crazies and see how their firearms selection is based on these markings? We could probably charge several million from the public purse and then get a 6 figure severance like the lady from e-health Ontario who made a mess out of her work and got the boot (a velvet slipper) and a bowl of noodle salad. Anyone for a puppy or a kitty?
 
The RCMP said to hold out until after the elections.. while C71 passed and received royal assent, it did not go through the order in council (OIC).. theres no framework as to WHAT to do, HOW to do it... they also mentioned that everything they mentioned before (the website they took down) is no longer valid and will be reinstated after October's election..
 
And now, with the May 2020 ban all CZ858 (2v, 2p, 4v, 4p) are prohibited.

Welcome to DC (Dictatorship Canada)! (this ban is just a piece that makes our country just like that, many other proofs surround us)
 
Did C-71 ever go into full effect?

I guess what I'm asking is, was there any point at which these common models really became prohib?

Did the new OIC just make them all prohib with their prior history no longer having relevance?
 
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