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Where can I find the regulations regarding help from a person who doesn't have a hunting license?
What are they permitted to do, and what they are not?I couldn't find any info on that.
I've heard that they can't event help taking turns driving on a very long commute?
Can they assist in cutting or gutting the animal? can they assist with carrying gear?
I find it hard to get people involved in hunting or even getting a PAL without them experiencing it first hand.
thanks in advance for the info.

**Edit: I'm in British Columbia.
 
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Rhythm & Soul said:
Where can I find the regulations regarding help from a person who doesn't have a hunting license?
What are they permitted to do, and what they are not?I couldn't find any info on that.
I've heard that they can't event help taking turns driving on a very long commute?
Can they assist in cutting or gutting the animal? can they assist with carrying gear?
I find it hard to get people involved in hunting or even getting a PAL without them experiencing it first hand.
thanks in advance for the info
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To have an idea where you are located would help as laws differ from province to province.
 
From what I understand, they can't participate in the active hunting of the animal. They can observe, video, photos, etc. They can't beat the bush driving game towards you.

But I can't see the logic in not letting them help butcher the animal that you've brought down.

That comment about not driving on a long trek sounds crazy.
 
For ontario the definition of hunting is below. Driving, gutting, etc is not part of the hunt.

“hunting” includes, (a) lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of, pursuing, chasing or shooting at wildlife, whether or not the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed, or (b) capturing or harassing wildlife"
 
Grouse Man said:
From what I understand, they can't participate in the active hunting of the animal. They can observe, video, photos, etc. They can't beat the bush driving game towards you.

But I can't see the logic in not letting them help butcher the animal that you've brought down.

That comment about not driving on a long trek sounds crazy.
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That's what I thought about the driving, that's why I'm looking to find the official regulations.

bcsteve said:
Hard to help you without knowing in what province you live in.
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alberta tactical rifle said:
To have an idea where you are located would help as laws differ from province to province.
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That would help, wouldn't it? Sorry, I'm in BC
thanks
 
Pg3 in the B.C. hunting synopsis has the definition for “Hunt & Hunting” near the bottom right hand corner of the page, it’s pretty clearly defined what activities are hunting.

That said if someone you know wants a taste of it all without going through the CORE course they can get an “Initiation Hunting License”, it’s a one time only issued licence to B.C. residents over the age of 18 that has not held a bc hunting license in the past (with the exception of a youth or junior license.) It allows someone to participate in the whole hunt if accompanied by a licensed resident hunter, bag limits are included in the bag limit of the supervising licensed resident hunter. Pg8 of the synopsis goes into detail of how the initiation license works.
 
I have the same dilemma as you Rhythm & Soul.

I have read the definition of hunting in the BC regs and it is pretty clear, but I am having trouble making sense of it because it seems so restrictive.

Even if someone is just tagging along to watch (not to participate at all), they could technically be charged with hunting without a license.

The initiation license is fine if the tag-along is a resident of BC, but what if they are from another province?

Case in point; my friend from Ontario wants to see what it is all about. I'd like to take him along with me this fall so he can observe what it is all about, and spend some time together in the woods.

Under current laws and definitions, he would need to take a course, obtain his Ontario hunting license, then buy a non-resident BC license and tags (and I would have to apply for and obtain a BC license to accompany) - all of this despite the fact that he has no intention of killing anything and isn't particularly interested in being a hunter himself.

It's ####ing stupid.
 
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yomomma said:
For ontario the definition of hunting is below. Driving, gutting, etc is not part of the hunt.

“hunting” includes, (a) lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of, pursuing, chasing or shooting at wildlife, whether or not the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed, or (b) capturing or harassing wildlife"
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ironsighter said:
I have the same dilemma as you Rhythm & Soul.

I have read the definition of hunting in the BC regs and it is pretty clear, but I am having trouble making sense of it because it seems so restrictive.

Even if someone is just tagging along to watch (not to participate at all), they could technically be charged with hunting without a license.

The initiation license is fine if the tag-along is a resident of BC, but what if they are from another province?

Case in point; my friend from Ontario wants to see what it is all about. I'd like to take him along with me this fall so he can observe what it is all about, and spend some time together in the woods.

Under current laws and definitions, he would need to take a course, obtain his Ontario hunting license, then buy a non-resident BC license and tags (and I would have to apply for and obtain a BC license to accompany) - all of this despite the fact that he has no intention of killing anything and isn't particularly interested in being a hunter himself.

It's ####ing stupid.
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The above is true, BUT, it all comes down to the interview you have to pass when/if you are stopped by a LEO (DNR,CO, etc.) and he/she decides if you are doing anything wrong.

I've yet to have any charges laid while "pushing bush" for a fellow hunter after I've tagged out, provided I'm not carrying a firearm.... same for my children who aren't yet old enough to "legally" hunt.

The " lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of, pursuing, chasing or shooting at wildlife, whether or not the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed, or capturing or harassing wildlife" is used to punish poachers or folk running down animals with vehicles or snowmobiles most of the time.

If you follow the letter of the law, Ironsighter and Yomomma are correct.

Same goes for shooting at an animal using your truck hood as a rest........ but that's another debate...... :)
 
Hunt&Hook said:
The above is true, BUT, it all comes down to the interview you have to pass when/if you are stopped by a LEO (DNR,CO, etc.) and he/she decides if you are doing anything wrong.

I've yet to have any charges laid while "pushing bush" for a fellow hunter after I've tagged out, provided I'm not carrying a firearm.... same for my children who aren't yet old enough to "legally" hunt.

The " lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of, pursuing, chasing or shooting at wildlife, whether or not the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed, or capturing or harassing wildlife" is used to punish poachers or folk running down animals with vehicles or snowmobiles most of the time.

If you follow the letter of the law, Ironsighter and Yomomma are correct.

Same goes for shooting at an animal using your truck hood as a rest........ but that's another debate...... :)
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Thats just it...if the CO got lucky that morning it may be a non issue but if his wifes been nattering at him for the last three days you may be out of luck
 
Trimmer 905 said:
In Ontario,we can take someone unlicensed along with us anytime we want. The only catches are that they can't assist in any way ie: no calling,no doggin',no carrying firearms,but,once game is taken,they may assist in field dressing and carrying it out of the bush.
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First time I have ever said this, but Ontario makes more sense this time.
 
ironsighter said:
I have the same dilemma as you Rhythm & Soul.

I have read the definition of hunting in the BC regs and it is pretty clear, but I am having trouble making sense of it because it seems so restrictive.

Even if someone is just tagging along to watch (not to participate at all), they could technically be charged with hunting without a license.

The initiation license is fine if the tag-along is a resident of BC, but what if they are from another province?

Case in point; my friend from Ontario wants to see what it is all about. I'd like to take him along with me this fall so he can observe what it is all about, and spend some time together in the woods.

Under current laws and definitions, he would need to take a course, obtain his Ontario hunting license, then buy a non-resident BC license and tags (and I would have to apply for and obtain a BC license to accompany) - all of this despite the fact that he has no intention of killing anything and isn't particularly interested in being a hunter himself.

It's ####ing stupid.
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If they "technically get charged with hunting without a license like you said", the CO would need to have some solid evidence or proof I imagine. If your friend was aiming with a firearm or making animal calls, then yes that's solid proof. But how could a CO proof to the judge that your friend was "pursuing, following, stalking"?. Otherwise, anyone walking down a trail carrying a knife in their backpack could potentially get charged?
 
Butcherbill said:
Pg3 in the B.C. hunting synopsis has the definition for “Hunt & Hunting” near the bottom right hand corner of the page, it’s pretty clearly defined what activities are hunting.

That said if someone you know wants a taste of it all without going through the CORE course they can get an “Initiation Hunting License”, it’s a one time only issued licence to B.C. residents over the age of 18 that has not held a bc hunting license in the past (with the exception of a youth or junior license.) It allows someone to participate in the whole hunt if accompanied by a licensed resident hunter, bag limits are included in the bag limit of the supervising licensed resident hunter. Pg8 of the synopsis goes into detail of how the initiation license works.
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thanks for the info
 
Rhythm & Soul said:
If they "technically get charged with hunting without a license like you said", the CO would need to have some solid evidence or proof I imagine. If your friend was aiming with a firearm or making animal calls, then yes that's solid proof. But how could a CO proof to the judge that your friend was "pursuing, following, stalking"?. Otherwise, anyone walking down a trail carrying a knife in their backpack could potentially get charged?
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Sure, it would likely get thrown out of court. But there'd still be a huge hassle, legal fees, etc. etc. not to mention put a huge downer on what would otherwise be a nice time in the wilderness.

It's a grey area. I am thinking a call to a local CO to explain the scenario and get their feedback might be the best approach.
 
ironsighter said:
Sure, it would likely get thrown out of court. But there'd still be a huge hassle, legal fees, etc. etc. not to mention put a huge downer on what would otherwise be a nice time in the wilderness.

It's a grey area. I am thinking a call to a local CO to explain the scenario and get their feedback might be the best approach.
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Great idea
 
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