Can you use a 410 on Turkeys in BC? I didn't see anything saying we can't when I just looked at the synopsis...
Apparently we can also use rimfire. Don't hear about that being used much...
Stevens single-shot, .410 TURKEY gun??
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Can you use a 410 on Turkeys in BC? I didn't see anything saying we can't when I just looked at the synopsis...
Apparently we can also use rimfire. Don't hear about that being used much...
Sorry 3macs1, It's been a little longer than that if you are an American and hand load. Plus, he lives in Georgia and gets licensed in Georgia, Florida and South Carolina every year. He kills a lot more than one or two a year. Please don't contradict me unless you know all the facts.
TSS has been available and used by guys handloading in the states for at least the better part of a decade. I know of at least one guy here in NB loading it for waterfowl and he has been for 5 years plus. Is it better than a larger gauge, no. What it does do is give performance that makes it a capable choice.
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Not that it matters but I am an american, handload all gauges from 410 to 10-ga , from west virginia with two brothers still state side who always send me what is new out there for reloading shotgun when I ask
In fact back in the steel days I was reloading steel way before anyone in canada even seen it let alone could buy components here
But who really cares I know I don't
I know when it began to show up in factory loads at US shotshows and that I could not afford it for hand reloading prior nor did I need it
When exactly I don't remember and the way the years fly I am probally wrong saying it just being a couple of years but it sure isn't 10
The forum for it was created in early 2016 for it and handloading so I may be off a couple of years
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I honestly don't care if he killed 20 so far to each their own I say but not something I would be pushing using a 410 for turkey regardless when lead is still allowed in larger gauges but hey that is me
It is also not approved in all states yet for turkey hunting nor is the 410
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Federal Premium Ammunition introduced a new TSS shotshell this past January 2018 at SHOT Show, and the buzz was immediate. The HeavyWeight TSS load was greatly anticipated and hit the market about a year after Apex Ammunition started selling TSS shotgun shells. The HeavyWeight load features TSS shot in No. 7 and No. 9 shot in three gauges: 12, 20 and .410.
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Once consumer interest wanes the manufacturer discontinues the one specific product line.
We all have seen this with Rotweill Brenneke Classic slugs and Hog Wild .625 buckshot.
I hope I am wrong for the 410 enthusiasts.
This sub gauge and big bore ammo are at the extreme ends of the shotgun sports and share the same danger of perhaps a short span of production runs.
We all have seen this with Rotweill Brenneke Classic slugs and Hog Wild .625 buckshot.
I hope I am wrong for the 410 enthusiasts.
This sub gauge and big bore ammo are at the extreme ends of the shotgun sports and share the same danger of perhaps a short span of production runs.
It seems the TSS product is a here to stay judging by the interest in it. Whether they keep the 410 turkey load or not is up for debate, but I don't see any reason not to - have you seen the price on these? The profit margin must be nice...
I guess for me I have to ask WHY
Years ago yes when steel sucked I reloaded bismuth, tungsten etc but once we got the steel figured out and proper components hit the market we can kill everything that flys with it so why pay all the extra money for Tss
That or the dude is a terrible shot maybe and this seems to help I don't know
Turkey is worse when you compare since good old lead is still allowed and that kills just fine
Copper plated lead no.6 for 10 pounds $33.99 US
Tss no. 9 for 2 pounds $98.99 US
Pretty expensive turkey IMO
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You know, you could just admit you were way wrong.
You could just admit that other people make different hunting choices than you do and there is nothing wrong or unethical about what they are doing. The fact that the guy I referred to is probably getting 10 turkey a year is in fact very germane to the point. You made an assertion that he's shooting 1 or 2 annually. You said he couldn't have been using TSS for more than a year or two. He's been using it exclusively for 8. You were wildly wrong on both counts and so your point, whatever it may have been, is completely invalid, as it was based on false assumptions. Which is what I said in the first place.
It's okay if other people make different choices than you, isn't it?
Do yourself a favour and follow my lead...put him on ignore. He will argue passive aggressively forever with you. Now I only have to put up with his posts when people quote him...sigh
It sure is. Be a pretty boring world if we all agreed and did everything the same
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LOL. I am married 43 years and wrong at least three times before noon every day so
one more so be itPeople can use what ever they like just like I can have my opinion on it
Just trying to understand the benefit of shooting a turkey with a 410 with very very expensive shot when good old lead is still approved
If recoil is an issue use a 20ga semi
If one wants bragging rights with a 410 run 25 or better 100 at a skeet club. That impresses me not shooting a turkey with a 410 but like I said to each their own
I have shot the 410 since 1965 some years 5000 rounds only because I had to. It is NOT a very forgiving shotgun regardless what it is loaded with especially hunting with it
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Dilly, not sure i will do that but I acknowledge it's probably very good advice.
The dude has been grinding an axe with me ever since I called him out on his shotgun collection or lack of it I say
Doesn't believe I owned/ own so many over the years but I did and still have 86 in my reduced herd
I know just from reading your posts over the years you also have a real nice collection of shotguns
Real sad IMO a guy has to go through life with out experiencing the many great shotguns out there
He just cannot grasp that us yanks are stubborn, strong willed people that will fight tooth and nail for something we believe in and LOVE our guns. Too bad canadians were not a little like that especially when talking firearms up here
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IMO, for hunting purposes a .410 is great if you're aiming and shooting it like a rifle but is the pits for wing shooting. The shot load is far too light and what pattern there is gets messed up as most of the shot comes scraping down the sides of the barrel. A lot of outdoor writers have called it 'the great game crippler' but I never read one that called it 'the great game getter' and I just don't get the point. Nice for kids to shoot I guess.
LOL. I am married 43 years and wrong at least three times before noon every day so
People can use what ever they like just like I can have my opinion on it
Just trying to understand the benefit of shooting a turkey with a 410 with very very expensive shot when good old lead is still approved
If recoil is an issue use a 20ga semi
If one wants bragging rights with a 410 run 25 or better 100 at a skeet club. That impresses me not shooting a turkey with a 410 but like I said to each their own
I have shot the 410 since 1965 some years 5000 rounds only because I had to. It is NOT a very forgiving shotgun regardless what it is loaded with especially hunting with it
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The advantage is light weight in the gun. My buddy is pretty hard core and gets a long way into difficult terrain. A 3 1/2 pound gun is much, much easier to pack into where he's typically going than a more typical 6 1/2 to 7 1/2 pound shotgun. As I mentioned in my first post, he likes the folding Yildiz. They pack up extra small. They are also relatively cheap, compared to his (many) other shotguns and he is happy to experiment with custom camo coatings on the whole gun. He thinks long range shots from any gauge are dumb and makes sure the birds are well within 40 yards before squeezing the trigger. It's not about bragging rights......it's about a guy with 35 years experience turkey hunting developing the best tool for the job, as he sees it.
Also, re your point about TSS being very expensive. It sure would be, comparatively, if one were using it at the range, waterfowl hunting or wingshooting on a regular basis. But given the number of shots taken for each turkey, typically one or two, worrying about the price of TSS is a false economy, given it's performance advantages, IMHO.
I also know people who regularly hunt wild quail with a .410. Actually much harder to do than shoot a turkey with a .410. You just have to be good. I'm not so don't try.
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BB, you've hit the nail on the head......fine for shooting like a rifle but incredibly difficult to wingshoot with. For that reason, IMHO it's a bad choice for introducing new wingshooters to the sport. Most need a little positive reinforcement and that's hard for a kid to get from a .410.
I have a nice single barrel 12 ga with a very open choke that weighs in at 5 pounds even. Easy enough to handle and hold for a kid 10 and up. Add in some soft shooting shells like Kent Elite, Win AA Low Recoil Low Noise or something from RST and it's the perfect gun for getting a young (or any age shooter) going.
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3macs1, I've had the great pleasure of meeting Dilly in person and seeing/handling a few of his guns. He has over the years detailed some of the work he has done restoring some of them in threads on various forums and his work is impressive. I would characterize Dilly as a very nice guy with a real passion for his guns. No doubt you are similar.
