Hunter orange

Seems to me, that's the crux of why most folks don't like orange. I've heard the same arguments made about the use of seat belts.
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I'm tempted to say that seat belt laws make sense, but being forced to dress up in an [expletive deleted] Teletubby costume does not :).

Seriously, though, I haven't looked at the statistics, but the argument that orange may help prevent accidents is credible. And for that reason, were I hunting in an area with more hunters, I'd be inclined to wear one and not ##### so loud. But I hunt on land that does not get much traffic, so it kind of grates.
 
The Hunting regs state that you must wear 400 square inches of hunter orange on your upper body, visible from all sides. If i am wearing a backpack does it have to be hunter orange. I have a real nice camo pack and would like to use it for deer hunting etc but is it ok? its a fair size pack that covers most of my back.

It appears that the thread developed into alot of debate & dicussion but didn't really address this fellow's dilemma about his camo backpack. I would suggest going to Len's Mill or Fabricland, etc and buying a length of blaze/ safety orange mat'l to wrap around your backpack while travelling though the bush.
 
I have no problems wearing it, law or not. Its just a piece of mind for me. Just curious for those who do oppose the orange, what is the huge deal. If no more game is turned away or shot with someone in orange then who really does care. And I dont care what province, country you come from there will ALWAYS be someone who will use their rifle scope to see what that is walking around and 300 yards or something like that. Hunter education or not, this one should be a no brainer.
 
I have come to the conclusion that most of you really don't have a clue what your talking about! You would rather have an east west debate about stupid and petty hunting differences than look at the big picture.:bsFlag:
The facts are clear... and the International Hunting Education Association which moniters Hunting Education and Hunting accidents everywhere in North America publishes them if you care to look!:rolleyes:

This 1998 IHEA hunting accident report is based on information received from 48 states and 5Canadian provinces. Reports were not received from Alaska, Alberta, Mexico, British Columbia, Northwest Territories, Quebec, Ontario, Prince Edward Island or the Yukon.

The use of blaze or hunter orange has been shown to reduce vision related casualties in states that require its use. The use of blaze orange clothing could decrease the number of vision related casualties even further. Its continued use is recommend for all hunting activity except possibly for migratory bird hunting. In most cases, the number of casualties could be reduced by over 50 percent if vision related casualties could be eliminated.

And for you fellas that think it reduces your deer hunting success here is some biology for ya.:rolleyes:
Deer are essentially red-green color blind like some humans. Their color vision is limited to the short (blue) and middle (green) wavelength colors. As a result, deer likely can distinguish blue from red, but not green from red, or orange from red. Therefore, it appears that hunters would be equally suited wearing green, red, or orange clothing but perhaps slightly disadvantaged wearing blue.
 
To be perfectly honest, I [expletive deleted] hate wearing blaze orange and do so only because the law requires it. Were I hunting in a very crowded area, I might feel differently, but frankly, having to dress like an [expletive deleted] traffic safety cone in an area that sees very little hunter traffic really aggravates me. I like being well camouflaged.

I have to agree with rdelliott on this one. I absolutely hate wearing blaze orange. I hunt exclusively on private property & am NOT worried about being shot. Comparing blaze orange & seatbelts is just ridiculous IMHO. I don't look down on those that want to wear it, but I firmly believe while I am on private property it should be my decision whether I wear it or not.

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The use of blaze or hunter orange has been shown to reduce vision related casualties in states that require its use. The use of blaze orange clothing could decrease the number of vision related casualties even further. Its continued use is recommend for all hunting activity except possibly for migratory bird hunting. In most cases, the number of casualties could be reduced by over 50 percent if vision related casualties could be eliminated.

Well then why the hell are they always saying "better dead than red":rockOn:
 
The facts are clear... and the International Hunting Education Association which moniters Hunting Education and Hunting accidents everywhere in North America publishes them if you care to look!:rolleyes:
This 1998 IHEA hunting accident report is based on information received from 48 states and 5Canadian provinces. Reports were not received from Alaska, Alberta, Mexico, British Columbia, Northwest Territories, Quebec, Ontario, Prince Edward Island or the Yukon.

The use of blaze or hunter orange has been shown to reduce vision related casualties in states that require its use. The use of blaze orange clothing could decrease the number of vision related casualties even further. Its continued use is recommend for all hunting activity except possibly for migratory bird hunting. In most cases, the number of casualties could be reduced by over 50 percent if vision related casualties could be eliminated.

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I was researching hunter accidents a few years ago and I ran across this report. Specifically I was trying to determine how often hunters accidently shoot other hunters and/or hikers/mountain bikers etc. -due to mistaken identity- in BC.


What I basically found was that it doesn't really happen. I mean, it happens once in awhile, but it's really not significant.Over a 6 year period in BC, about 500 000 HL's are sold, and you may have one incident of this type. Probably less. You are far more likely to shoot yourself, or shoot your partner while getitng in and out of a vehicle wihtout unloading.. Even more likely is that you have a heart attack or suffer some mishap, everything from car crashes, plane crashes, horse wrecks and drownings. Making everyone wear orange with these sort of numbers seemed like a waste of time.

This report wasn't much use to me, since BC didn't report. Then again, neither did Quebec, Ontario, PEI. So since this discussion is about orange, I'm not sure if it will help determine the effectiveness of orange in those provinces, either.

And for you fellas that think it reduces your deer hunting success here is some biology for ya.:rolleyes:
Deer are essentially red-green color blind like some humans. Their color vision is limited to the short (blue) and middle (green) wavelength colors. As a result, deer likely can distinguish blue from red, but not green from red, or orange from red. Therefore, it appears that hunters would be equally suited wearing green, red, or orange clothing but perhaps slightly disadvantaged wearing blue.

Has anyone checked goats, caribou, elk, moose, sheep , coyotes, wolves, cougars, black and grizzlies for this?:evil:

I don't think it orange would put me at a disadvantage while hunting, because of this colour blindness. That's not the point.

The point is that we aren't mistakenly shooting each other to any great degree now, so it's unlikely to enhance safety to any great degree, so all it would do is annoy people and CO's who would have to enforce the rules.
 
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BC, (no high Viz clothing requirement here)chose to use Hunter education early on, and that has been one of the most effective ways to reduce hunting "accidents" I taught the CORE program for years, and got an annual report on shootings that occurred that either wounded or killed another hunter. Many years the mortality count was Zero. Some years the "accidental" shooting count was zero. Doesn't get lower than that. My personal feeling is that shooting at a human in the hunting field is no accident, but rather is carelessness or deliberate. If one wants to wear the blaze orange because they feel safer, or is mandated to do so, so be it. That would not stop me from hunting, but I am just as happy, and feel just as safe without it where I hunt. However, I respect/obey the laws that apply to my region. Regards, Eagleye
 
Eagleye, good point, there was a (significant) drop in accidents after the CORE (hunter Ed) program got started.

The last BC hunter I heard getting shot (IIRC) was a a hunter that shot him(her?) self or partner, while getting a loaded shotgun from the back of the truck. Orange wouldn't have helped here, but paying attention to safety rules would have. It was several years ago, so memory is a bit hazy.
 
I've seen a lot of commentary from the US that suggests the use of blaze orange does not significantly reduce the number of hunting accidents. Most accidents were attributed to accidental discharge, catching your buddy with an over zealous swing of the shotgun on a bird, or plain stupidity (shooting yourself). Very few accidents were misidentified game / people incidents.

On another note, while game may be colour blind, they're not stupid. A man shaped high contrast, solid coloured human shape still makes them run.

When I wear blaze, it's in small quantities like a hat, or shoulder patches. If I wear a vest, I prefer the blaze / black stripped type that breaks up the pattern. The only time I really make significant use of blaze is if I'm packing out game and I'm carrying the head / rack on my pack. Then I wrap the #### out of it in blaze, wear my vest & hat as protection from the stupid.

As for the initial question, if you're going to wear the pack in Ontario, you'll need to cover it with blaze orange.
 
Are there hunters wearing orange in these pics?

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On another note, while game may be colour blind, they're not stupid. A man shaped high contrast, solid coloured human shape still makes them run.
Wrong ........ I've been hunting here in NB since 1985. Having moved here from Ont. I thought the same thing, but soon found that it wasn't the orange that made them run, buy careless movement. To say otherwise is folly. I've seen it too many times.

The only time I really make significant use of blaze is if I'm packing out game and I'm carrying the head / rack on my pack. Then I wrap the s**t out of it in blaze, wear my vest & hat as protection from the stupid.
Ironic to think the the "stupid" will only be "stupid" if you are packing out a head/rack.

The dislike for orange and seatbelts is of the same nature. They both work, save lives, and do what they are intended to do, but many just don't like to be told to wear them and dislike them for that reason only, no matter what the stats say.



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Blaze Orange helps make hunting safer like the gun registry helps stop crime.
That's not a good comparison..........

The gun registry has not data to support the fact that it will stop crime, because it's a stupid law based on fear, blaze orange, on the other hand does have results that would show that it will reduce shooting accidents.

No one argues mandated, proper, safe storage of firearms isn't a good law and will reduce needless accidents. Now this is a better comparison to mandated blaze orange.


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There was a shooting in Ontario last fall of a non-hunting hiker named Marianne Schmid. She wasn't wearing blaze orange but apparently did wear a red sweater to try and make herself visible.

I don't know the final outcome of this story, but each one of these accidents slowly chips away at our right to hunt.
 
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