Registered my lower as a compete build, RCMP wants pictures of lower?

And they still won't send out a new certificate unless he provides the pictures they asked for?
Yes that seems to be the case, even though twice a regular person at the 1-800 number said they will send me the paper registration certificate that was obviously not the case. Also the annoying thing is I did Not get the email from the alb asking for photos until well after the 30 days of calling them. Really frustrating to have this process. I can see why people do not bother to call and simply keep it registered as a lower. ATT allows you to bring a lower to a range so if you ever truly did get charged for something that isn't really a law could you not just state that the change was made less than 30 days ago and that you were going to call in soon. Anyways I tried to let them know immediately and they they made it seem like all was ok, until after 30 days then they decided to ask for photos. Nobody really mentioned what to do with the rifle during the time frame like if it cannot go to a range whether assembled or not or if I must keep it in parts until the registration.
 
Yes that seems to be the case, even though twice a regular person at the 1-800 number said they will send me the paper registration certificate that was obviously not the case. Also the annoying thing is I did Not get the email from the alb asking for photos until well after the 30 days of calling them. Really frustrating to have this process. I can see why people do not bother to call and simply keep it registered as a lower. ATT allows you to bring a lower to a range so if you ever truly did get charged for something that isn't really a law could you not just state that the change was made less than 30 days ago and that you were going to call in soon. Anyways I tried to let them know immediately and they they made it seem like all was ok, until after 30 days then they decided to ask for photos. Nobody really mentioned what to do with the rifle during the time frame like if it cannot go to a range whether assembled or not or if I must keep it in parts until the registration.

The cfc has no timeline to follow unlike us who have it spelled out in the act. Once you have called in and notified them of the change, they have a date, so if you are stopped and say it was less than 30 days ago when it wasn't probably is not the best course of action
 
I still think a lot of you are interpreting the wording of the laws as how you and I would like them to be interpreted. ...

They are just bullies punishing people by process. Majority of "paper" firearm "crimes" are settled out of court as they know it will not result in conviction.

The problem is, it will cost you minimum 7K of your hard earned cash and 6 months of nerve wracking uncertainty, while they have an unlimited budget and zero ####s given about the outcome.

And BTW, no prohibited will be issued ATTs. It defeats a lot of their lies, specifically the "too dangerous to have for civilians" mantra. They will not rest until they get all firearms prohibited. May be not in 20 years, then in 50.
 
The problem is, it will cost you minimum 7K of your hard earned cash and 6 months of nerve wracking uncertainty, while they have an unlimited budget and zero ####s given about the outcome.
That is a very conservative estimate if you find yourself accused of a criminal offence, have to hire a lawyer, etc. I would venture to say a nearly impossible budget to get a top rated criminal defence lawyer on retainer

If anyone ever finds themselves in such a position, hire a lawyer and under no circumstances do you speak to anyone including the internet without your lawyer present
 
V7 Weapon Systems makes a ultra light weight lower. It is machined inside to M16 specs, it just needs the 3rd pin drilled. I know a company in Canada did try to import some. They are just checking to make sure your V7 'milspec' lower is not the V7 ultra light weight lower.

And this thread totally got Brian46'd
 
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Hey there, sorry if there is already a thread somewhere on this, I am aware as to why they made this request but wondering if anyone can clarify. So I followed the thing on my lower AR15 registration certificate that says to inform them if it can discharge ammunition within 30 days, something along those lines. I called them and they wanted the barrel length and caliber, pretty usual stuff I think. Then they said they will mail the new registration certificate. A couple weeks went by and I called in again to check if they sent the certificate, she said yes there should be one on the way but she will request for another one to be mailed just incase. Well a couple more weeks go by and I get an email from RCMp Specialized Firearms Support Service and they said they are working on my registration of the complete build and requested pictures of the lower receiver with a pdf explaining about why. I know it's to look at the "pocket" thing to make sure it can't be easily converted or whatever the reasoning is. I know my lower meets their examples of approved designs but here is my main confusion. Why do they now need pictures of this lower, isn't it an approved design when they initially allow the lower for sale in Canada? How would that even work if for example it didn't meet their approved designs, I know I would be out of luck but how do they approve a lower for sale in Canada and then decide that it is not approved after someone completes a build? Anyone else had to deal with this before?

Thanks Jon

Compliance is a multi step process.

They approve a design. The person makes it. Then they inspect it afterwards to confirm the manufacturing actually meets the design.

There have been a few issues where a manufacturer in the US makes both Semi and select fire receivers for the domestic market, and then offers to sell semi only into the canadian market, and then for whatever reason ending up shipping the select fire receivers.

Yes, people have been issued seizure notices because the receiver they received is not in fact the same as what the SFSS approved. The worst part is the guys at the SFSS truly believe they are saving the country from armageddon by chasing down these receivers.
 
Ahh didn’t know about that issue. Mines just the forged lower not the ultra light weight, though I got to say that lower does look pretty nice.
V7 Weapon Systems makes a ultra light weight lower. It is machined inside to M16 specs, it just needs the 3rd pin drilled. I know a company in Canada did try to import some. They are just checking to make sure your V7 'milspec' lower is not the V7 ultra light weight lower.

And this thread totally got Brian46'd
 
Apparently, yes. Your question: what's this? implied you didn't know about your liability for home inspections as a gun owner.
That's right. I didn't know I have to let the CFO inspect my house.
Does the CFO need a reason? If I say "no thanks" and the CFO has to get a warrant, does the CFO not need a reason to enter my home if no crime has been committed?
Also, the idea that if I don't agree to a search and the police have to go get a warrant, they will punish me by destroying my house, is outrageous.
 
...Also, the idea that if I don't agree to a search and the police have to go get a warrant, they will punish me by destroying my house, is outrageous.

I can call 1-800 number and tell them that i've heard you were beating your wife. I think it's option 2 after pressing one for English.

Then you can get the full spectre of "outrageous" LOL.
 
That's right. I didn't know I have to let the CFO inspect my house.
Does the CFO need a reason? If I say "no thanks" and the CFO has to get a warrant, does the CFO not need a reason to enter my home if no crime has been committed?
Also, the idea that if I don't agree to a search and the police have to go get a warrant, they will punish me by destroying my house, is outrageous.

Having firearms is their reasons and legally it is the only reason they need.
Your refusal to permit the search that you are required to submit to are the grounds for obtaining the warrant.
And they can also seize your phone and computers if they think records of your firearms collection are stored on them, including social media posts and any photos of your collection. They are not punishing you by destroying your house and seizing your things. They are executing a lawfully issued search warrant in accordance with Canadian laws.

The irony is that if you did NOT have a gun license and were actually suspected of a violent crime, then you are protected by your legal rights under the charter, including privacy rights and the presumption of innocence. Holding a gun license under the firearms act necessarily includes waiving these rights. Outrageous doesn't begin to explain it.

Yes, the laws are outrageous. Anyone not outraged by our gun laws is simply not paying attention. The most painful part is that the majority of Canadian gun owners will tell you that they think our gun laws are actually fairly reasonable.
 
Having firearms is their reasons and legally it is the only reason they need.
Your refusal to permit the search that you are required to submit to are the grounds for obtaining the warrant.
And they can also seize your phone and computers if they think records of your firearms collection are stored on them, including social media posts and any photos of your collection. They are not punishing you by destroying your house and seizing your things. They are executing a lawfully issued search warrant in accordance with Canadian laws.

The irony is that if you did NOT have a gun license and were actually suspected of a violent crime, then you are protected by your legal rights under the charter, including privacy rights and the presumption of innocence. Holding a gun license under the firearms act necessarily includes waiving these rights. Outrageous doesn't begin to explain it.

Yes, the laws are outrageous. Anyone not outraged by our gun laws is simply not paying attention. The most painful part is that the majority of Canadian gun owners will tell you that they think our gun laws are actually fairly reasonable.
So what is the CFO inspection limited to? Does the CFO show up and ask me to present my restricteds? Can the CFO demand to see or search for non-restricteds? Does the CFO have the right to demand that I open my safe? I've got private, non-firearm related, items in my safe and I don't want anyone accessing them.
 
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