Noob question about registering a lower

[snipersyn]

Still doesn't make any sense.

The RCMP know full well stripped receivers and complete rifles are one and the same and they treat them the same.


Thinking they would somehow leave your "complete" AR's alone but take your stripped receivers is wishful thinking.

This is also what I am trying to understand.

An AR frame/receiver is registered like any other restricted firearm. Now, outside of semantics (which I am so tired of discussing), both have a registration certificate.

Now, there are those that will argue that it is a difference when a frame/receiver is able to discharge ammunition, it ceases to be such and becomes a "firearm". This was debated hotly in another thread.

Sometimes our own worst enemy is ourselves.

 

[snipersyn]

If the government pays for their theft (maybe) then it increases the value. Maybe that's a deterrent, maybe not
What is the point of keeping a stripped receiver?

I believe the original intention was to increase the number of AR-15 registrations. Stripped receiver or complete rifle.

 

[Deckard]

Simply put the next stage is completing them. The CPC's (borrowed) Simplified Classification System should de-restrict guns over 18.5 inches long. Build accordingly, or not.

 

[mac100]

I still don’t get it. So is this just for AR receivers or is it the same when I buy a used Glock frame off the EE too
It was used so when sold to me was probably not as a receiver then.

 

[Cameron SS]

Simply put the next stage is completing them. The CPC's (borrowed) Simplified Classification System should de-restrict guns over 18.5 inches long. Build accordingly, or not.

Nope. The SCS will move all non restricted guns into the restricted class, because the dilettante that wrote it couldnt even string together three sentences without grave syntactical errors.

 

[Deckard]

Maybe explain.

 

[snipersyn]

Simply put the next stage is completing them. The CPC's (borrowed) Simplified Classification System should de-restrict guns over 18.5 inches long. Build accordingly, or not.

I am in agreement with this. After much deliberation, it seems a movement for the government to take away complete rifles will be more difficult than stripped receivers alone.

What a disaster it would be though if the "ban" were to ensue.

 

[Deckard]

Gun owners might shrug at $100. $2000 not so much.

 

[Cameron SS]

Maybe explain.

I could explain, but then I don't want to help them re-write so that it makes sense until anyone at the Conservatives or CSSA can explain to me what is so simple about a classification system where you still need to read the mind of the original designer, and know the complete history of the firearm in the hands of all of its previous owners, in order to classify it properly.

 

[Dietz]

I am in agreement with this. After much deliberation, it seems a movement for the government to take away complete rifles will be more difficult than stripped receivers alone.

What a disaster it would be though if the "ban" were to ensue.

That's based on the made-up belief that the government somehow gives a damn how much money their subjects lose.

Registering stripped lowers as complete guns is a retarded concept. It make absolutely no sense whatsoever, so much so that it looks like something a liberal would come up with.

1- The government doesn't give a #### how much $ you have tied in guns.
2- The public doesn't give a #### how much $ you have tied in your guns.
3- The government doesn't give a #### about the status or barrel lenght of your AR15, to them an AR15 is an AR15 is an AR15 and stripped lowers are registered and treated exactly the same as complete AR15's, they were imported and classified as AR15's and given AR15 FRT's. If they ban, they ban stripped lowers and complete guns all the same. There ain't gonna be nitpicking going on, it'll just be one big swoop.
4- If they ban and confiscate, they will expect and request a complete gun if you registered a complete gun. They ain't leaving until you hand it to them. Thinking otherwise is unwise.
5- If they ban and confiscate and compensate, they absolutely will give you a penny on the dollar for the value of your gun. Do you guys seriously want to give them as much money as possible and as much parts as possible instead of as little as possible?

Seriously?

You guys are all betting on the wrong thing and putting all your eggs in the wrong basket.


And then betting that somehow the CPC will de-restric a gun that is restricted by name instead of by physical status (i;e: barrel lenght) like all the other long guns, if they're registered with a 18.5" barrel... ...come on. What is this?

 

[Deckard]

What is it to you? Build or don't build. Be 'all knowing and wise' with your chunk of aluminum while others target practice. I won't give two shyts about what you do if you don't. How you have the time to write about how 'terrible' what others do is beyond me.

 

[snipersyn]

Registering stripped lowers as complete guns is a retarded concept. It make absolutely no sense whatsoever, so much so that it looks like something a liberal would come up with.

Trust me. I agree whole-heartedly. This is a position of logic that I've been arguing since the beginning. A restricted registration is one and the same. Frame or complete rifle.

However, it is hard to ignore and maybe just foolish to be blind to the stipulations listed in the registration certificate. Especially, the condition that states the moment the "firearm" is able to discharge ammunition that its registration status be updated within 30 days.

4- If they ban and confiscate, they will expect and request a complete gun if you registered a complete gun. They ain't leaving until you hand it to them. Thinking otherwise is unwise.

Put it this way for argument's sake. Let's say you own 10 registered AR lower receivers that are "complete" with a trigger group, buffer assemble and stock, and you happen to fall prey to a CFO home inspection. Do you really think that inspector will believe otherwise? I don't know, myself.

And then betting that somehow the CPC will de-restric a gun that is restricted by name instead of by physical status (i;e: barrel lenght) like all the other long guns, if they're registered with a 18.5" barrel... ...come on. What is this?

Well, you're just preaching to the choir here. Every educated, non-fudd and law-abiding RPAL holder knows the AR-15 is a victim of its name and nothing else.

 

[Deckard]

At least we now know that buying a chunk of aluminum and locking it up is the best we can come up with and is all so smart and building a firearm that actually shoots is "retarded" and "Liberal". (Not MY term woodchopper).

 

[BlackVoid]

However, it is hard to ignore and maybe just foolish to be blind to the stipulations listed in the registration certificate. Especially, the condition that states the moment the "firearm" is able to discharge ammunition that its registration status be updated within 30 days.

Just to add. When called to register a lower as a rifle they ask about caliber and barrel length.

So I tell him length in mm (inches x 25.4mm) caliber 0.223. Guy searches in database and says that he has no such barrel length in database and the closest one is such and such in 5.56mm.

So they match whatever upper and receiver you calling in to a complete rifle in FRT.

I dare to guess that stripped lowers are a separate database entry from rifles.

 

[Deckard]

Their database matches standard barrels per make. So it is possible that X company only makes 16 inch rifles for export, or stripped receivers. Then you find Y company short barrel and slap it on. Mental gears grind as they now have something not in the database. So they need a new entry in FaRT.

 

[snipersyn]

Just to add. When called to register a lower as a rifle they ask about caliber and barrel length.

So I tell him length in mm (inches x 25.4mm) caliber 0.223. Guy searches in database and says that he has no such barrel length in database and the closest one is such and such in 5.56mm.

So they match whatever upper and receiver you calling in to a complete rifle in FRT.

My experience was similar. The agent even went so far to say, "Let me see if that combination is in the list I have here."

So I tell him length in mm (inches x 25.4mm) caliber 0.223. Guy searches in database and says that he has no such barrel length in database and the closest one is such and such in 5.56mm.

So they match whatever upper and receiver you calling in to a complete rifle in FRT.

Which means, in addition to a list that has already been pre-generated with restricted models of the AR-15 and all its variants, more combinations of calibers/barrel lengths are added to it.

I dare to guess that stripped lowers are a separate database entry from rifles.

I think stripped lowers are logged the same. The only difference is that the entries for barrel length and caliber are empty. Only when the entry is updated with said fields that a new registration RCN is created.

 

[BlackVoid]

I could explain, but then I don't want to help them re-write so that it makes sense until anyone at the Conservatives or CSSA can explain to me what is so simple about a classification system where you still need to read the mind of the original designer, and know the complete history of the firearm in the hands of all of its previous owners, in order to classify it properly.

The way I read it, anything shorter than 26" with folded/collapsed stock is restricted, longer - NR. All named prohibited and prohibited converted autos will become either NR or R based on that.

They are vague on magazines and prohib pistols (not understanding how useless this part of FA is). We also might be able to push them on suppressors if they get elected.

 

[Overlander2018]

As soon as you've installed a trigger kit or buffer tube etc... it is no longer a bare receiver and modifications to the firearm have been made, so i would imagine you'd need to change the registration even without an upper attached to it.

 

[Deckard]

I hate to bring up any more 'retarded liberal' news but now magazines of standard length are being looked at unkindly by the gun banners. They think you will unpin them. So, I'd recommend buying mags, but do take them apart and pad lock them where they would normally lock into the mag catch. Play your part.

 

[rommelrommel]

As soon as you've installed a trigger kit or buffer tube etc... it is no longer a bare receiver and modifications to the firearm have been made, so i would imagine you'd need to change the registration even without an upper attached to it.

Without a barrel they can't register it as a complete rifle or pistol tho. No barrel = frame only.