How to reload 9x19 economically?

[Junction]

Just wondering... How many of you are shooting lead bullets from your pistols?

For one, lead is toxic. Lead dust/powder out of the muzzle must be bad no ?

Is $240 / 1000 too expensive for blazer brass 9mm ?

If your time means nothing to you, then by all means....... Even with a progressive press, whats the sense in spending 2 hours to crank out 100 - 150 cartridges?

I guess Im the odd one out here.

 

[Still alive]

I’m with you on $240/1000.

But all my friends who reload for around $0.13-$.20 are Master level shooters and kicking my ass!

 

[Canuck44]

Just wondering... How many of you are shooting lead bullets from your pistols?

For one, lead is toxic. Lead dust/powder out of the muzzle must be bad no ?

Is $240 / 1000 too expensive for blazer brass 9mm ?

If your time means nothing to you, then by all means....... Even with a progressive press, whats the sense in spending 2 hours to crank out 100 - 150 cartridges?

I guess I'm the odd one out here.[/QUOTE

Well you live in or near Toronto so I will be gentle.

After more than 40 years of shooting handguns, mostly with lead bullets and for the past 25 years using my own cast bullets my blood lead levels are normal, or so says my Doctor. Now I shoot mostly outdoors. Both handgun and rifle. I suspect the air you breath in downtown Toronto is more toxic than the air at our range by a lot.

I shoot anywhere from 5K to 10K handgun rounds per year. I reload on a 550 Dillon mostly in the Winter. Once I get motivated I usually reload anywhere from 500 to 1000 rounds over the course of an evening. It's a hobby I enjoy along with casting my own bullets. I get a kick out of managing to shoot 1" groups out to 100 yards using my Longbranch LE with a scope, off a bench. Boring as hell but a challenge never the less. Tailoring loads that are accurate at required power factors for playing the games is also very satisfying. I get my brass from matches mostly.

A 1000 rounds of my reloaded bullets costs me $60. cash. My maximum yearly costs run about $600 vs the $2,400 I might spend for Blazer based on your figures. The money I saved this year just bought me a Kel Tec Sub 2000 and a Ruger PCC along with two Vortex Optics. I'll do a write up tomorrow on them.

I know you folks in Toronto shove some funny powders up your nose but I never thought lead would be one of them. Personally I would advise against it. Leaves a bad taste in your throat and I hear it is bad for you.

Take Care
Bob
ps Eskimos thumped the Argos again today. Sorta feel bad for Toronto.....no I don't I'm just pulling you leg.

 

[Canuck44]

Still Alive, had a great time in the Wack last week-end. Great bunch of students. Jay knows his way around guns. You will have six more SO's once I get the paper work off to HQ. Maybe we can get together next spring.

Take Care

Bob

 

[Still alive]

Still Alive, had a great time in the Wack last week-end. Great bunch of students. Jay knows his way around guns. You will have six more SO's once I get the paper work off to HQ. Maybe we can get together next spring.

Take Care

Bob

Really regret not being there and meeting you Bob!
Glad you had a good time. CFGPA sure has changed since the last time you saw it.

Yes, Jay is an awesome shooter. +/- 200000 rounds in 2.5 years does wonders to your game!
Yes, he casts, powder coats and reloads his own ammo.

 

[Junction]

Just wondering... How many of you are shooting lead bullets from your pistols?

For one, lead is toxic. Lead dust/powder out of the muzzle must be bad no ?

Is $240 / 1000 too expensive for blazer brass 9mm ?

If your time means nothing to you, then by all means....... Even with a progressive press, whats the sense in spending 2 hours to crank out 100 - 150 cartridges?

I guess I'm the odd one out here.[/QUOTE

Well you live in or near Toronto so I will be gentle.

After more than 40 years of shooting handguns, mostly with lead bullets and for the past 25 years using my own cast bullets my blood lead levels are normal, or so says my Doctor. Now I shoot mostly outdoors. Both handgun and rifle. I suspect the air you breath in downtown Toronto is more toxic than the air at our range by a lot.

I shoot anywhere from 5K to 10K handgun rounds per year. I reload on a 550 Dillon mostly in the Winter. Once I get motivated I usually reload anywhere from 500 to 1000 rounds over the course of an evening. It's a hobby I enjoy along with casting my own bullets. I get a kick out of managing to shoot 1" groups out to 100 yards using my Longbranch LE with a scope, off a bench. Boring as hell but a challenge never the less. Tailoring loads that are accurate at required power factors for playing the games is also very satisfying. I get my brass from matches mostly.

A 1000 rounds of my reloaded bullets costs me $60. cash. My maximum yearly costs run about $600 vs the $2,400 I might spend for Blazer based on your figures. The money I saved this year just bought me a Kel Tec Sub 2000 and a Ruger PCC along with two Vortex Optics. I'll do a write up tomorrow on them.

I know you folks in Toronto shove some funny powders up your nose but I never thought lead would be one of them. Personally I would advise against it. Leaves a bad taste in your throat and I hear it is bad for you.

Take Care
Bob
ps Eskimos thumped the Argos again today. Sorta feel bad for Toronto.....no I don't I'm just pulling you leg.

So what I gather from this is that you are a retired person, who has a "cushy" life and owns a house in beautiful BC. Therefore you're automatically better then anyone from Toronto, and you feel that your entitled to hate on Toronto because you live somewhere in BC, and have all the time in the world for your hobbies/lifestyle.

Let me tell you one thing. I wish I was born a generation ago and could afford the same luxuries. You assume because I am from Toronto that your somehow superior? I don't understand.
Tell me how the F%%% is a 30 something supposed to be able to afford a house these days? You must be so cool, having all damn day to spend loading 1000 rounds with lead, let alone creating the lead bullets yourself.

If I had a ranch/farm I perhaps would agree that it's awesome that you can do that. BUT I dont.

Your just confirming the "west vs. east" stereotype that many westerner's display. I did not choose to be born in ON. I have worked my whole life since age 15, and I am married now and thinking about having little ones.
You know absolutely nothing about me, or Toronto, yet you get offended by my comment that lead is toxic. DUH....

I hope you enjoy cleaning your barrels often.

Have a nice day.

ps- Im a Rider's fan anyways.... ffff the argo's

 

[4n2t0]

Just wondering... How many of you are shooting lead bullets from your pistols?

For one, lead is toxic. Lead dust/powder out of the muzzle must be bad no ?

At .17 per round Campro is all I use in 9mm.

$240 / 1000 too expensive for blazer brass 9mm ?

No but $170 / 1000 is better, no? Maybe with the savings you could get that house you've always wanted, lol. Also, since you're uber concerned about lead do those Blazers use non toxic primers?

f your time means nothing to you, then by all means.......

Says the man wasting his precious time on an internet forum, lol.

Even with a progressive press, whats the sense in spending 2 hours to crank out 100 - 150 cartridges?

Huh? Either you've never loaded on a progressive press or you're slow as faq.

 

[VinnyQC]

Just wondering... How many of you are shooting lead bullets from your pistols?

For one, lead is toxic. Lead dust/powder out of the muzzle must be bad no ?

Is $240 / 1000 too expensive for blazer brass 9mm ?

If your time means nothing to you, then by all means....... Even with a progressive press, whats the sense in spending 2 hours to crank out 100 - 150 cartridges?

I guess Im the odd one out here.

240$/1000 for BB is a good price.

I don't cast, never will. Better spend an hour reloading than an hour casting. And most bullets are cheap enough that it's not worth my time.

In 2 hours I crank about 1000 rounds of straight wall cartridges, not 100-150. If I'm cranking 9mm, that's "paying" me about 40-50$ an hour, which isn't that much. If I'm cranking 44magnum, that's "paying" me 300-325$/hour, untaxable. I have a good job, I make good money, but not 300$ an hour after tax. Almost nobody is paid such an amount in Canada.

 

[yomomma]

So what I gather from this is that you are a retired person, who has a "cushy" life and owns a house in beautiful BC. Therefore you're automatically better then anyone from Toronto, and you feel that your entitled to hate on Toronto because you live somewhere in BC, and have all the time in the world for your hobbies/lifestyle.

Let me tell you one thing. I wish I was born a generation ago and could afford the same luxuries. You assume because I am from Toronto that your somehow superior? I don't understand.
Tell me how the F%%% is a 30 something supposed to be able to afford a house these days? You must be so cool, having all damn day to spend loading 1000 rounds with lead, let alone creating the lead bullets yourself.

If I had a ranch/farm I perhaps would agree that it's awesome that you can do that. BUT I dont.

Your just confirming the "west vs. east" stereotype that many westerner's display. I did not choose to be born in ON. I have worked my whole life since age 15, and I am married now and thinking about having little ones.
You know absolutely nothing about me, or Toronto, yet you get offended by my comment that lead is toxic. DUH....

I hope you enjoy cleaning your barrels often.

Have a nice day.

ps- Im a Rider's fan anyways.... ffff the argo's

#1...we all make our own beds...dont like your bed...get a new one.
Im just across the lake from you. I work. Im not in the country or on a farm. I cast my own bullets. Doesnt take much more than a hotplate, stainlessbowl or pot and a ladle of some sort. Not a big production.

I also powdercoat. I Also reload.

For me its really not time consuming. I grab half an hour or a hour after work...my unwind time. Do that 2-3 times a week and the bullets pile up.

Yes lead is toxic...so is gasoline. Ive worked with lead and all what you have yo do is follow propper hygiene. No eating, drinking or smoking while casting. Over90% of lead that enters the body goes in through the mouth.

I think what Canuck said was tongue-in-cheek while trying to be informative.

I guess he forgot how sensitive you guys from Tarana are.

Lots of crotchity old ritired guys worth listening to on this site.

But then again.... Its the internet...not worth getting upset about

 

[silverfoxdj]

Reloading 9mm is about controlling quality better. It’s not economical.

I agree..

 

[bigi]

One thing to keep in mind, most indoor ranges in GTA do NOT allow lead projectiles fired inside. That limits your outdoor season a bit.

 

[Milanczar]

So what I gather from this is that you are a retired person, who has a "cushy" life and owns a house in beautiful BC. Therefore you're automatically better then anyone from Toronto, and you feel that your entitled to hate on Toronto because you live somewhere in BC, and have all the time in the world for your hobbies/lifestyle.

Let me tell you one thing. I wish I was born a generation ago and could afford the same luxuries. You assume because I am from Toronto that your somehow superior? I don't understand.
Tell me how the F%%% is a 30 something supposed to be able to afford a house these days? You must be so cool, having all damn day to spend loading 1000 rounds with lead, let alone creating the lead bullets yourself.

If I had a ranch/farm I perhaps would agree that it's awesome that you can do that. BUT I dont.

Your just confirming the "west vs. east" stereotype that many westerner's display. I did not choose to be born in ON. I have worked my whole life since age 15, and I am married now and thinking about having little ones.
You know absolutely nothing about me, or Toronto, yet you get offended by my comment that lead is toxic. DUH....

I hope you enjoy cleaning your barrels often.

Have a nice day.

ps- Im a Rider's fan anyways.... ffff the argo's

I don't think he was being rude or offended so don't understand your reaction.

He is not responsible for your personal circumstances or the urban etc housing market is he or your attitude to those issues?

Well there is one less that is going to need help and advice in the future.

So be it.

 

[Meroh]

Just wondering... How many of you are shooting lead bullets from your pistols?

For one, lead is toxic. Lead dust/powder out of the muzzle must be bad no ?

Is $240 / 1000 too expensive for blazer brass 9mm ?

If your time means nothing to you, then by all means....... Even with a progressive press, whats the sense in spending 2 hours to crank out 100 - 150 cartridges?

I guess Im the odd one out here.

I'm running a Lee Pro 1000; an inexpensive progressive press. Not sure where you get your numbers, but in an hour, if it's running well, it is more like 250-300/hour. Change over is a PITA, but in the future, I plan on buying a couple more of these presses and keeping them set up for one caliber. Some might ask, what is the sense of going out and shooting 1000s of rounds at little pieces of paper or at plates of steel.

Reloading is a satisfying pass time!

 

[Canuck44]

So what I gather from this is that you are a retired person, who has a "cushy" life and owns a house in beautiful BC. Therefore you're automatically better then anyone from Toronto, and you feel that your entitled to hate on Toronto because you live somewhere in BC, and have all the time in the world for your hobbies/lifestyle.

Let me tell you one thing. I wish I was born a generation ago and could afford the same luxuries. You assume because I am from Toronto that your somehow superior? I don't understand.
Tell me how the F%%% is a 30 something supposed to be able to afford a house these days? You must be so cool, having all damn day to spend loading 1000 rounds with lead, let alone creating the lead bullets yourself.

If I had a ranch/farm I perhaps would agree that it's awesome that you can do that. BUT I dont.

Your just confirming the "west vs. east" stereotype that many westerner's display. I did not choose to be born in ON. I have worked my whole life since age 15, and I am married now and thinking about having little ones.
You know absolutely nothing about me, or Toronto, yet you get offended by my comment that lead is toxic. DUH....

I hope you enjoy cleaning your barrels often.

Have a nice day.

ps- Im a Rider's fan anyways.... ffff the argo's

1. First off taking shots at Toronto is a National Pastime.
2. You buy a house the same way we did. You save your money. When I bought my first house it cost $31,500. At the time I got married I was making $6,500 and my wife was making about $4,000 a year. On those salaries we managed to save $10,000 over 3 years and with that we bought a house with a Mortgage of $20,500 at 11% interest!
3. I lived in Peterborough for 10 wonderful years. Loved the city and the people there. Still do. Would not have lived in Toronto for love nor money. Most folks I met in Ontario all felt the same way.
4. My son is 30 something. He bought a home in Ft. McMurray. It cost him more money than I could imagine. How did he do it. By working long hours. He managed to study and acquire two trades. One trade pays him more money in a year than I made in 10. If you want to get ahead, get a life plan in your head, work hard and you will. There is no free lunch in this world and no one is sure as hell going to give it to you.
5. As for living in cushy B.C. It just happens to be where my last job led me and like, Forestburg, AB, Pine Point,NWT, St. Albert, AB, Edmonton, AB, Peterborough, ON, and Chilliwack, BC I love it up here in Terrace. I have met so many wonderful people over the years. I am friends across Canada. I am blessed. Aside from my work, shooting, has opened a whole new world of friendships. Man enjoy the ride, as far as I know you only get one crack at it.

At 74 I can tell you it has been a hell of a ride. Would I do it all over again if I could, say be in my 30's in today's environment. In a New York minute. You just have to get off your ass and do it. You may have to give up some of your lifestyle to get to where you want to get but that is just one of the prices life asks you to pay. There are others as you will discover.

Take Care

Bob

 

[VinnyQC]

I'm running a Lee Pro 1000; an inexpensive progressive press. Not sure where you get your numbers, but in an hour, if it's running well, it is more like 250-300/hour. Change over is a PITA, but in the future, I plan on buying a couple more of these presses and keeping them set up for one caliber. Some might ask, what is the sense of going out and shooting 1000s of rounds at little pieces of paper or at plates of steel.

Reloading is a satisfying pass time!

If I may suggest: instead of a couple Lee Pro 1000, get a good progressive like a LnL AP and your production will go from 250 to 500 rounds per hour, and change over is about 5 minutes. I would say a Dillon 650 or an Hornady LnL AP should be about the same price as 3 or 4 Pro1000.

 

[TSherback]

So what I gather from this is that you are a retired person, who has a "cushy" life and owns a house in beautiful BC. Therefore you're automatically better then anyone from Toronto, and you feel that your entitled to hate on Toronto because you live somewhere in BC, and have all the time in the world for your hobbies/lifestyle.

Let me tell you one thing. I wish I was born a generation ago and could afford the same luxuries. You assume because I am from Toronto that your somehow superior? I don't understand.
Tell me how the F%%% is a 30 something supposed to be able to afford a house these days? You must be so cool, having all damn day to spend loading 1000 rounds with lead, let alone creating the lead bullets yourself.

If I had a ranch/farm I perhaps would agree that it's awesome that you can do that. BUT I dont.

Your just confirming the "west vs. east" stereotype that many westerner's display. I did not choose to be born in ON. I have worked my whole life since age 15, and I am married now and thinking about having little ones.
You know absolutely nothing about me, or Toronto, yet you get offended by my comment that lead is toxic. DUH....

I hope you enjoy cleaning your barrels often.

Have a nice day.

ps- Im a Rider's fan anyways.... ffff the argo's

Well he doesn’t have to be from BC to be better than a Torontonian, he could be from anywhere.
I know it’s off topic but don’t you boomers get sick of the BS swallowed by the millennials about how they will never be able to afford a house to call there own? What a crock of ####e!
My son is 29 and has owned his own home on Langley BC for four years now. No help from anyone. Saved his own down payment and did it all himself by working his butt off and having his priorities straight.

Funny how millennials think us old timers had everything handed to them for free.
When I bought my first house I was thirty five and self employed, because I was self employed I had to save $65,000.00 as a down payment and my house cost me $250,000.00. At the time I made about $20 an hour.
Now I have bought and sold and made some good deals and own a 2.5 million dollar property that makes me a monthly income so I can retire at 57, luckily for me as I had to quit work for medical reasons.

If you live in Toronto and can’t afford it MOVE! When I couldn’t afford to work in Vancouver I moved, I worked up north for three years and then in California for three years in order to pay my mortgage and support my wife and three kids.

Quit yer cryin’ quit believing everything the friggin progressive media shovels down your throat quit blamin your parents and there generation get off yer azz and get to work.

 

[VinnyQC]

Can we move the effing house prices argument elsewhere. The reloading forum is one of the few on CGN that doesn't get too regularly polluted by politic, trump, conspiracy theories and other tinfoil-hatteries, and all the crap that pollutes about 95% of the internet.

Can't you move that crappy discussion to the general forum or reddit or any other place where good, informative discussion never take place please?

 

[mactroneng]

If your time means nothing to you, then by all means....... Even with a progressive press, whats the sense in spending 2 hours to crank out 100 - 150 cartridges?

If your using a progressive for 9mm and only getting 100-150 cartridges in two hours your slow, unless you are trimming the brass every single time. I recently started loading 9mm and I haven't needed to trim brass yet, and I've both read of and talked to people and the consensus seems to be that 9mm don't need it very often, maybe every 5th reload.

Last time I loaded 357's I timed myself (didn't need to trim) and I cranked out 300 rounds in about 2 hours 20 min on a Lee Loadmaster, which is not known to be the fastest press, and that also includes doing a QC check every 20 rounds or now, filling boxes as the completed round bin become full, re-filling supplies as they run out and pulling and re-do a half dozen rounds because I was an idiot and let the primer system run out without realizing right away.

[snip]

Tell me how the F%%% is a 30 something supposed to be able to afford a house these days? You must be so cool, having all damn day to spend loading 1000 rounds with lead, let alone creating the lead bullets yourself.

If I had a ranch/farm I perhaps would agree that it's awesome that you can do that. BUT I dont.

Your just confirming the "west vs. east" stereotype that many westerner's display. I did not choose to be born in ON. I have worked my whole life since age 15, and I am married now and thinking about having little ones.
You know absolutely nothing about me, or Toronto, yet you get offended by my comment that lead is toxic. DUH....

[snip]

I'm not sure what you're talking about, it has nothing to do with "being born in Ontario" or "east vs west", I'm also in my early 30's, lived in Ontario my whole life, have a small child, bought a house a few years ago. It will does have more to do with you wanting to be in Toronto in particular than anything else... Luckily there is plenty of other space in Ontario (and Canada) for those of us that don't feel the need to partake in that over-inflated market.

 

[4n2t0]

If your using a progressive for 9mm and only getting 100-150 cartridges in two hours your slow, unless you are trimming the brass every single time. I recently started loading 9mm and I haven't needed to trim brass yet, and I've both read of and talked to people and the consensus seems to be that 9mm don't need it very often, maybe every 5th reload.

FYI...you don't really have to trim 9mm brass or any pistol brass for that matter (unless your picky about the crimp on revolver rounds).

 

[Canuck44]

FYI...you don't really have to trim 9mm brass or any pistol brass for that matter (unless your picky about the crimp on revolver rounds).

I agree straight walled cases (I know 9MM have a slight angle to them) shrink rather than lengthen. Reload .45acp brass 20 times and you will be surprised how much they shorten.

Trimming any straight walled case makes little sense other than to establish a constant case OAL when a rolled crimp is desired. I have not ever bothered to but some do and claim it is worth it. I just can't shoot well enough to notice any accuracy gain.

Take Care

Bob