over all length

[JasonGTA]

Is over all length measured from butt to end of barrel or butt to tip of the muzzle brake?

 

[legi0n]

to the tip of the barrel with the brake off
assuming the barrel is not counterbored

 

[Blastattack]

Overall length is overall length. Anything that increases or decreases overall length counts towards overall length. There is no definition of what does and does not count towards overall length, provided that length is measured at the shortest fireable length.

 

[legi0n]

Overall length is overall length. Anything that increases or decreases overall length counts towards overall length. There is no definition of what does and does not count towards overall length, provided that length is measured at the shortest fireable length.

I disagree
the barrel length is measured with the brake removed
as such, expect the overall length to be measured the same given that a brake can be taken off easily
but then again I've been wrong before (once )

 

[Magellann]

I'd say the length would be from the butt to the end of the barrel, the brake is an add on accessory,

 

[marshall]

Correct, Remember the Mi 30cal carbines years ago.
Laws change, so everyone weld on breaks, than later that was a no go.
But along came the mare's leg and WTF?, I give up .

I'd say the length would be from the butt to the end of the barrel, the brake is an add on accessory,

 

[Blastattack]

I disagree
the barrel length is measured with the brake removed
as such, expect the overall length to be measured the same given that a brake can be taken off easily
but then again I've been wrong before (once )

Based on what? No part of the law addresses how overall length is measured, therefore it can only default to a standard interpretation of the distance between the extreme points on a firearm, and any folding, telescoping or similar attachments in their shortest position.

I'd say the length would be from the butt to the end of the barrel, the brake is an add on accessory,

True for barrel length, not applicable for overall length.

Correct, Remember the Mi 30cal carbines years ago.
Laws change, so everyone weld on breaks, than later that was a no go.
But along came the mare's leg and WTF?, I give up .

No really a hard concept. The M1 carbine example is completely irrelevant because they were reclassified based on barrel length, not on overall length. It's quite clear that adding accouterments to the muzzle doesn't add to barrel length, but by standard definition, they would add to overall length.

As for the mare's leg, there are only three ways for a factory-produced manual action to NOT be considered a Non-Restricted firearm. The firearm is deemed to be a variant of something prohibited or restricted, are deemed to be restricted or prohibited "just because" (like the Barrett M95: bolt-action repeater), or are a handgun. The Mare's Leg is not a variant of anything named, it wasn't specifically deemed to be restricted or prohibited, and by our luck the RCMP did not deem it to be a handgun. Therefore the only thing it could be is Non-Restricted. It could have shipped with a 6" barrel, as long as it avoided handgun status, it's in the clear.

 

[billbmcleod]

to the tip of the barrel with the brake off
assuming the barrel is not counterbored

How does counter boring fit into the picture?

 

[Blastattack]

How does counter boring fit into the picture?

Quite simply, it doesn’t.

 

[tiriaq]

If a removable brake doesn't count, neither would a recoil pad.

 

[lone-wolf]

10/22 stock is easily removed, so measure without it