To re-barrel or not , or.......................

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Well I concluded that the 300 WM I recently purchased is a non-shooter.Vanguard S2.You can see the results in my other thread.

As this was to be a beater yet decent shooter I am kind of stuck with what to do.

To re-barrel would be roughly 1K(barrel , machining, shipping).

I could sell the rifle and put that towards a better unit.

I could just keep it for a future build and try another budget rifle.

If I go with the build route I will wind up with a $2,000 "budget" beater rifle that wouldn't be worth much more than $600.00 anyways.

I am only seeking an a rifle that is around MOA give or take.

How say you?

And before you can say check the stock, optics, rings, bases , bullets, powder , primers, humidity, tilt of the earth and what I had for supper last night, I've pretty much done all I can.
 
I would, after rebarreling and buying and selling, is to purchase a new or slightly used Tikka Varmint or Tactical. The one I have in 300wm is the most consistently accurate rifles I have ( I have several rebarreled rifles) with several different bullet /powder combinations.

Best at club events with this rifle is 5 shots 4.00", 10 shots 8.00" at 1038 yards.
 
I would, after rebarreling and buying and selling, is to purchase a new or slightly used Tikka Varmint or Tactical. The one I have in 300wm is the most consistently accurate rifles I have ( I have several rebarreled rifles) with several different bullet /powder combinations.

Best at club events with this rifle is 5 shots 4.00", 10 shots 8.00" at 1038 yards.

It's just an elk rifle I can drop and submerge and paddle with. ;)
 
If you haven't at this point I would have a good look at the throat and chamber with a borescope.
I've seen factory chambers with the leade visibly off center from the bore.

It might benefit from a rechamber. Take off a thread or two and recut the chamber.
 
Sell it and pick up something else. Most Vanguard series 2 rifles shoot very well. There are some though that just don't, no matter what you try

From your posts, you don't give up on a rifle easily. If you say you've checked everything, likely you have.

There are lots of rifles out there that will meet your specs but IMHO 1 moa, with most factory, ammo is pushing it. Yes, I know you handload.

The thing is, you don't have a lot of time left to get another rifle, set it up, work up a consistent handload that you trust, in time for the hunting season.

I never have understood the concept of a cheap/knock around/shoot like a laser "beater rifle." I just prefer to take the rifle I trust to put the bullet where I want it to go, if I do my part.

May I suggest a Tikka T3, off the shelf replacement. Bit on the light side but definitely would likely meet all of your requirements.
 
Sell it and pick up something else. Most Vanguard series 2 rifles shoot very well. There are some though that just don't, no matter what you try

From your posts, you don't give up on a rifle easily. If you say you've checked everything, likely you have.

There are lots of rifles out there that will meet your specs but IMHO 1 moa, with most factory, ammo is pushing it. Yes, I know you handload.

The thing is, you don't have a lot of time left to get another rifle, set it up, work up a consistent handload that you trust, in time for the hunting season.

I never have understood the concept of a cheap/knock around/shoot like a laser "beater rifle." I just prefer to take the rifle I trust to put the bullet where I want it to go, if I do my part.

May I suggest a Tikka T3, off the shelf replacement. Bit on the light side but definitely would likely meet all of your requirements.

I have considered the T3's , and light is a benefit actually.

I have faith in all my gear and it's capabilities , this one just needs to fall into a slot so to say as I have rifles before said slot and after said slot, but I also want something that I won't worry about dings and scrapes and weather and such.

As I have had good experience with the S2 Vanguards I figured another wouldn't a bad choice, but now , I am seeing maybe why the bloke sold it for $400.00.

If this one would of done 1-1.5 MOA consistently I would have called it a day , but as you likely saw from my targets that was far from the case.

Sometimes things just don't work out , I know you appreciate the situation, luckily I didn't make this years draw so I have more time.

What is the throat like on the T3's, can I load long with the long heavies you figure?
 
If you want to load 300 WM with 200gr seated way up to get as much powder as you can, stay away from the t3. Its way to short. use a long magnum action which can handle HH mag cartridges but buy a used T3 as backup while the custom is on build would be a smart move
 
Still no go for me, my phone, work computer and now home computer. :mad:

Maybe Sasktel is censoring. ;)
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Figured if post the info, I'm interested because I had a Remington 700 SPS in 300 em shoot 6 feet left, 6 feet down, I got rid of it FASTER that Turbo the snail lol
 
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Figured if post the info, I'm interested because I had a Remington 700 SPS in 300 em shoot 6 feet left, 6 feet down, I got rid of it FASTER that Turbo the snail lol

Thank you for the info, still not sure what i want to do yet.
 
I have considered the T3's , and light is a benefit actually.

I have faith in all my gear and it's capabilities , this one just needs to fall into a slot so to say as I have rifles before said slot and after said slot, but I also want something that I won't worry about dings and scrapes and weather and such.

As I have had good experience with the S2 Vanguards I figured another wouldn't a bad choice, but now , I am seeing maybe why the bloke sold it for $400.00.

If this one would of done 1-1.5 MOA consistently I would have called it a day , but as you likely saw from my targets that was far from the case.

Sometimes things just don't work out , I know you appreciate the situation, luckily I didn't make this years draw so I have more time.

What is the throat like on the T3's, can I load long with the long heavies you figure?


The throats on T3 rifles are long enough to handle the heaviest bullets that can be loaded into them and still fit/feed from the magazine. The other noteworthy thing about those throats is the attention Tikka pays to very tight tolerances. I've owned and shot several Tikka T3 rifles, both with walnut and the tupperware stocksets. All of them shot better than I am capable of holding with handloads they liked.

There was only one, chambered in 243Win that I could not get to shoot with any bullet weigh other than cast lead 105 grain flat points/flat base that were powder coated.

Like you, I like the S2 Vanguaurds and wouldn't be afraid to purchase one. My only concern with them is their factory trigger is creepy and mushy. I'm a bit anal about good trigger performance.


As mentioned, every T3 that I've measured the throats on, the diameters are either right on mean or a half thou under. This makes for rifles that are inherently accurate from the factory.

When I order a new reamer or purchase a used reamer, I measure it at several points to make sure all of the flutes are extremely close to being equal. I pay very close attention to the neck and throat sections. Those are the most important sections of the chamber and even then, if the pilot is sloppy on it's spindle or in the bore, you will get a sloppy chamber. That's one of the reasons I order a solid pilot or grind the pilot to the diameter I want it to be be before cutting a chamber. Sloppy pilots lead to chambers that aren't consistent to the axis of the bore. Tikka, along with a few other makers makes a habit of keeping tolerances tight.

Remington had a bad practice of using reamers with undersize pilots and oversize necks and throats. With CNC machinery, they mostly got away with it but when that equipment started to show wear, they started having some serious issues and lost a lot of market share because of it.

One other type of rifle you may want to check out are the Antonio Zoli clones of Husqvarna 1600 rifles. They are smoother than the T3 and when tolerances were within spec also shoot like lasers. I have one in 30-06. I picked it up to swap the barrel for a 280 Rem build. Took it to the range to check out before the swap out and the darn thing will shoot everything I put through it, even mixed in the mag into an inch or less at 100 yards as long as the bullets are the same weight and close in velocity. They aren't common. I now have a lovely Italian made copy of a 1600 with a better trigger and much smoother operating than the original Swede versions.
 
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