223, 223 Ai, 22-250 or 22 creedmoor??

I went thru your dilemma, and after much thought i went with a 223 Wylde and it will shoot 55-80 gr no prob. 1-7.7 krieger. I have since dropped everything but the 80 smk's, they just shoot too darn good in that rifle, plus, i dont have to worry about burning out a barrel for a long time.
My 223w load with 80 gr is 3 MOA less than a 175 smk 308 mk118 at 1000. Whats not to like (on a calm day!)? I suspect your 75 grainers will be close to the same performance - if - your rifle likes them. I bought a couple hundred Berger 75's, and couldn't get them under 3/4 MOA...so stuck with what actually works rather than what looks good on paper. Big difference.
 
chrismc said:
I went thru your dilemma, and after much thought i went with a 223 Wylde and it will shoot 55-80 gr no prob. 1-7.7 krieger. I have since dropped everything but the 80 smk's, they just shoot too darn good in that rifle, plus, i dont have to worry about burning out a barrel for a long time.
My 223w load with 80 gr is 3 MOA less than a 175 smk 308 mk118 at 1000. Whats not to like (on a calm day!)? I suspect your 75 grainers will be close to the same performance - if - your rifle likes them. I bought a couple hundred Berger 75's, and couldn't get them under 3/4 MOA...so stuck with what actually works rather than what looks good on paper. Big difference.
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I'm curious about the rifle youre using... Are you feeding from a mag or hand feeding single shot.

What I'm getting at is the long nose profile on the Bergers would probably not let you get anywhere near the lands feeding from a mag... therefore would not be accurate.

I agree with you on the 80 grain SMKs, but I've been forced to step away from them for PRS with a 77 grain max bullet weight rule for 223s. I hate that rule.

I used to shoot F Class with a guy who used 80 grain bergers when I ran 80 grain SMKs.... we both did very well with them.
 
Ok the gun and reloading forums it sounds sorta like some people are tired of necking down and are going back to chamberings where that’s not needed
 
I had a similar dilemma....

My rifle is currently with the smith, and I’m hopping foot to foot waiting for it to come back so I can start fire forming and load dev.

I went 223 AI. I have a dirty little secret..... I am a big fan of the AI cartridges....

I reload, and all my rifles shoot hand loads. I currently reload for many many chamberings... last count I have 58 different die sets.... the thing I find the most annoying when handloading is trimming brass. With the AI family trimming is a thing of the past. I have 243 AI cases that have been fired 15 times and are still under trim length. Nuff said.

Cheers!
 
Maple57 said:
I'm curious about the rifle youre using... Are you feeding from a mag or hand feeding single shot.

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Single feed - i just use that rifle for paper/gongs. Rem 5R, threw out stock barrel (barely moa) & changed barrel to kreiger, jewel trigger, m40 stock (bedded).
If i have to use the mag, i load 69SMK's/25.2 Varget, which that rifle bugholes. Otherwise, 80 smk's all the way! Have put it up against factory twist 250's (slow 12-14 twist), and haven't had one outshoot it yet....sure shuts up my cocky buddy's real quick.
haha last week we were shooting 3 each 1/4lb tannerite at 600yds off the bench - light breeze - deal was shoot till you miss, buddy shot his 250 first and missed, then my nephew followed with 223/80smk's and had 3 consecutive hits....

My take on wildcats is i think they are cool, but i dont want specific caliber brass with a different caliber head stamp.
 
chrismc said:
Single feed - i just use that rifle for paper/gongs. Rem 5R, threw out stock barrel (barely moa) & changed barrel to kreiger, jewel trigger, m40 stock (bedded).
If i have to use the mag, i load 69SMK's/25.2 Varget, which that rifle bugholes. Otherwise, 80 smk's all the way! Have put it up against factory twist 250's (slow 12-14 twist), and haven't had one outshoot it yet....sure shuts up my cocky buddy's real quick.
haha last week we were shooting 3 each 1/4lb tannerite at 600yds off the bench - light breeze - deal was shoot till you miss, buddy shot his 250 first and missed, then my nephew followed with 223/80smk's and had 3 consecutive hits....

My take on wildcats is i think they are cool, but i dont want specific caliber brass with a different caliber head stamp.
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Ya.. 22-250 is so over rated... The best part is the fast twist jacks up the explosive impacts on critters... I shot hundreds of ground hogs with 69 gr SMKs out of a 1:7 and hits like lightning.... Shot a few deer as well.... same thing... dropped in their tracks.

The 80's seated long are better for long range than guys realize... The only reason a 308 is better for long range accuracy is that it will generate a more consistent velocity.... not faster or flatter... just more consistent.
 
Wouldn’t the 75 eldm be better than the 80 smk’s? Yes I agree. Slow twist 22-250 is not what I’d want. I’d rather have a 204 ruger if I wanted to shoot light bullets fast
 
Only way to find out is to shoot it in the rifle - specs on paper mean squat if your gun doesn't shoot them. Like i said, i went after specs and got the 75gr Berger VLD's and they sucked in my gun with the powders i have.
 
Yeah thats just it. What if the gun you have built doesn’t like the bullets you built it for. That would just suck. Sorta atleast. Those 88 grain eldm look to be crazy good but I think 223 is too small to really push those at a decent speed. My guess anyway
 
With the BC those 88's have, speed isn't an issue. If you can launch them at 2750-2800, they will be great for long distance.... my 80 smk's are a hair under 2900.
Accuracy and long barrel life is my gig - if speed is what you are after get a 250 - as for accuracy, we all have our personal expectations...some are happy with 1-2 MOA, some aren't happy with 1/2 moa. Whatever works for you!
Its a tough choice to find a rifle cartridge that is fast, accurate, feeds great thru a mag, easy to load for, good brass, lighter recoil, and long barrel life. Very few offer all of the above, many offer most but not all of those points. I have 4 rifles I shoot more than all others by a wide margin, just because they match most of the above points - 223w, 6mmBR, 6.5cm and 6.5x47.
My absolute fav for accuracy, long range, splat effect, easy to load for, low recoil, fun to shoot is the 6mmBR with a 8 twist. f i am not mistaken the world record 1000yd group (sub 2") was with a 6mm dasher (6mmBR with a 40 degree shoulder). That 6mmBR cartridge spoiled and corrupted me for anything else.
 
Yeah I’d like one that ticks all those boxes. 22-250 is one I’m sorta leaning towards but I don’t like the tapered case design. The 22-250 ai fixes that but then you may as well go 22 creedmoor! The 22 br and 6mm br really interest me as well but then I’d probably wanna use my bighorn tl3 action cuz of its controlled round feed for better feeding
 
Are you running them on the mild side or no? One reason I’d like a bigger 22 cal is so that the impact action does not have a 223 based bolt face limiting future caliber options.
 
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For those that have a 22 creedmoor, how do you like it? I’m thinking of getting a 22 creedmoor barrel for my srs.
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Love it... have moved a number of my mag fed rifles over to this chambering... will be working on a semi when the barrel arrives too.

You can run moderate pressures and get excellent real world performance. the heavies excell beyond 1000yds so this combo allows me to run a very low recoiling LR plinker when the need arises.

Feeding if of course a no brainer from AICS mags.... Been through many 223's, 22-250s and still have a 223 which I practise with but the hot rod are my 22CMs now.

One barrel just went through 1000rds.

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Still plenty accurate...

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1450yds has been the furthest I have plinked with it... will push it further as time allows. Barrel had just over 1000rds when we went out plinking for this shot... Kept up with a 408CT very nicely

Jerry
 

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If you have a bore scope what does it look like after 1000 rounds? If I decide to go 22-250 or 22 creedmoor I’ll be loading them on the mild side
 
I want a little extra speed over the 223 but not the level that will roast the barrel in short time. unless I can start installing prefit shouldered barrels myself at home then I wouldn’t be so concerned about it actually
 
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