a loonie at 200 is 0.5 moa
well thats one hell of a shot even with a top quality semi built for accuracy yet alone a bcl and crappy ammo, but im super stoked you can do it
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a loonie at 200 is 0.5 moa
well thats one hell of a shot even with a top quality semi built for accuracy yet alone a bcl and crappy ammo, but im super stoked you can do it
Well, it was over 40 years ago. However, the rife was light and short (20") Ruger #1, chambered in 7mm-08.
The scope was a Redfield with a German Reticle.
Over the last ten years, I did work with The Greater Victoria Emergency Response Team (GVERT).
Their snipers also use very short and light bolt rifles, as most of the urban sniping is done at 200 yards or less.
They train to put around in the philtrum, just under the nose of the offender so that the bullet will blow out the Medulla (brainstem) and instantly shutting off threat without so much as a twitch.
The snipers do that all day long at 200 yards; they also have individual rounds for shooting through a glass window.
It's nothing more than proper training, decent equipment and practice. Feel free to share that with your coworkers this morning.
BTW the GVERT Observer carries a rifle that looks somewhat similar to this one and for whom excellent optics is a priority.
The scope was a Redfield with a German Reticle.
Over the last ten years, I did work with The Greater Victoria Emergency Response Team (GVERT).
Their snipers also use very short and light bolt rifles, as most of the urban sniping is done at 200 yards or less.
They train to put around in the philtrum, just under the nose of the offender so that the bullet will blow out the Medulla (brainstem) and instantly shutting off threat without so much as a twitch.
The snipers do that all day long at 200 yards; they also have individual rounds for shooting through a glass window.
It's nothing more than proper training, decent equipment and practice. Feel free to share that with your coworkers this morning.
BTW the GVERT Observer carries a rifle that looks somewhat similar to this one and for whom excellent optics is a priority.
hannibal.black98
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That gun and scope combo plus the ammo of 40 years ago is not capable of CONSTANTLY REPEATABLE accuracy of that level...you sure it was shooting a soup can 50 paces away?
As for the "snipers" have never, ever heard of shooting through the front of the face under the nose to hit medulla...that is mostly a TV/movie thing and a very easy shot to blow...
As for the "snipers" have never, ever heard of shooting through the front of the face under the nose to hit medulla...that is mostly a TV/movie thing and a very easy shot to blow...
Honest question, how many snipers do you know, met or trained with?
Common training problem, hostage-taker is standing behind and holding loaded semiauto handgun to the head of the hostage.
Where can you put around so that there is no possibility the hostage-taker discharging the firearm?
Hint, the answer is referenced above.
Even 10 years ago, I was practicing an active school shooting with the local police department.
Most of us had .40 Glocks (sim guns with marking ammo) and a few had sim HK G36c.
Shot placement and over-penetration are critical factors with every shot.
Common training problem, hostage-taker is standing behind and holding loaded semiauto handgun to the head of the hostage.
Where can you put around so that there is no possibility the hostage-taker discharging the firearm?
Hint, the answer is referenced above.
Even 10 years ago, I was practicing an active school shooting with the local police department.
Most of us had .40 Glocks (sim guns with marking ammo) and a few had sim HK G36c.
Shot placement and over-penetration are critical factors with every shot.
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Awesome rifle! Glad you are enjoying it! Making me think about one!
The accuracy reports are questionable though. A loonie at 200 with "ease"... What is ease? 10 rounds or less? 5 rounds or less? Every shot can hit it? Every other can ?
I would love to see some targets with groups on them!
The accuracy reports are questionable though. A loonie at 200 with "ease"... What is ease? 10 rounds or less? 5 rounds or less? Every shot can hit it? Every other can ?
I would love to see some targets with groups on them!
Well if you have been looking at my pictures, the scope on the rifle cost more then the rifle.
I was able to pick up the Bushnell Elite Tactical DMR IIi 3.5-21x50 G3 Illuminated on sale from Precision Optics. The sale along with Bushnell's rebate makes this a no brainer for me.
Most people tend to spend too much on a rifle and too little on the glass. IMHO most modern rifles shoot well, and it's the glass that key to good shooting.
I also have a Geissele SSA-E 2 Stage trigger, which I also believe is a significant contributor to having a well-shooting rifle.
And when I said with ease, I also mentioned I was bench shooting from my range that I know well, with a bipod on the front and a monopod off the stock. It's like cheating.
Sunny days, no wind, no pressure, just out living the dream on Vancouver Island.
One of the reasons I can afford to shoot the BCL as much as I do is that I mostly shoot Hirtenburger ammo. Yeah, yeah, I know, someone will jump in all over that. However, I find Hirtenburger is very consistent up to 300 meters. Yes, I do get a flier now and then, so they are not for competition, however, for the cost, what do I care if I miss now and then.
I just met another fellow in Victoria this week who is almost finished his high-end AR10 build. Stag upper and lower, carbon fiber wrapped barrel, nice light handguard, Magpul furniture and Magpul bipod. I watched him get a high-end Vortex Scope installed. The only thing missing is his muzzle brake. He will likely pick up a Surefire. Sorry I didn't get any pictures.
We want to get both rifles up at the same range for a little Stag VS BCL action. I assume that my Geissele will offset his high-end barrel and BCG. as he intends to shoot with a mil-spec trigger.
We have yet to set a date. However, I will post pictures, win, lose or draw.
I also have been in contact with the fellows over in the mainland at Internation Barrels Inc. They make a DMR barrel for the Stag and BCL.
I may go this way someday. However, the latest CZ sale had been picking up a new optical ready Shadow 2, so the rifle budget got robbed to fund the handgun!
I was able to pick up the Bushnell Elite Tactical DMR IIi 3.5-21x50 G3 Illuminated on sale from Precision Optics. The sale along with Bushnell's rebate makes this a no brainer for me.
Most people tend to spend too much on a rifle and too little on the glass. IMHO most modern rifles shoot well, and it's the glass that key to good shooting.
I also have a Geissele SSA-E 2 Stage trigger, which I also believe is a significant contributor to having a well-shooting rifle.
And when I said with ease, I also mentioned I was bench shooting from my range that I know well, with a bipod on the front and a monopod off the stock. It's like cheating.
Sunny days, no wind, no pressure, just out living the dream on Vancouver Island.
One of the reasons I can afford to shoot the BCL as much as I do is that I mostly shoot Hirtenburger ammo. Yeah, yeah, I know, someone will jump in all over that. However, I find Hirtenburger is very consistent up to 300 meters. Yes, I do get a flier now and then, so they are not for competition, however, for the cost, what do I care if I miss now and then.
I just met another fellow in Victoria this week who is almost finished his high-end AR10 build. Stag upper and lower, carbon fiber wrapped barrel, nice light handguard, Magpul furniture and Magpul bipod. I watched him get a high-end Vortex Scope installed. The only thing missing is his muzzle brake. He will likely pick up a Surefire. Sorry I didn't get any pictures.
We want to get both rifles up at the same range for a little Stag VS BCL action. I assume that my Geissele will offset his high-end barrel and BCG. as he intends to shoot with a mil-spec trigger.
We have yet to set a date. However, I will post pictures, win, lose or draw.
I also have been in contact with the fellows over in the mainland at Internation Barrels Inc. They make a DMR barrel for the Stag and BCL.
I may go this way someday. However, the latest CZ sale had been picking up a new optical ready Shadow 2, so the rifle budget got robbed to fund the handgun!
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BTW, on the left is the current rifle project in need of glass.
A few months ago a picked up a new Colt Canada Diemaco MRR with a 16" barrel.
If you are cool with the cost and having a restricted AR, this is a great rifle.
I have already installed the Gisselle 3 gun trigger. Super fast and I really like it
Yeah, yeah, someone will say you cannot shoot groups with this trigger. Yes, with practice you can.
I have read of people shooting this rifle accurately out to 600 yards with good glass.
"Accurate" being able to hit a metal gong the size of an adult male torso.
I stuck a Vortex Spitfire 3x for now and to shoot while I decide on what l scope I want.
I have been shooting the CCAR up to 250 yards, and it appears to shoot as good or better then the BCL, however with only a 3x optic and my eyes no longer being 25 years young, I need to step up the optics for shooting over 200 yards.
I am leaning towards a Vortex Viper® PST™ Gen II 3-15x44 First Focal Plane.
If anyone has or had one, and can offer an informed option on this scope, I would appreciate hearing such.
A few months ago a picked up a new Colt Canada Diemaco MRR with a 16" barrel.
If you are cool with the cost and having a restricted AR, this is a great rifle.
I have already installed the Gisselle 3 gun trigger. Super fast and I really like it
Yeah, yeah, someone will say you cannot shoot groups with this trigger. Yes, with practice you can.
I have read of people shooting this rifle accurately out to 600 yards with good glass.
"Accurate" being able to hit a metal gong the size of an adult male torso.
I stuck a Vortex Spitfire 3x for now and to shoot while I decide on what l scope I want.
I have been shooting the CCAR up to 250 yards, and it appears to shoot as good or better then the BCL, however with only a 3x optic and my eyes no longer being 25 years young, I need to step up the optics for shooting over 200 yards.
I am leaning towards a Vortex Viper® PST™ Gen II 3-15x44 First Focal Plane.
If anyone has or had one, and can offer an informed option on this scope, I would appreciate hearing such.
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Did a little 300-meter shooting of a 6" gong today at the Sooke Hills.
The third shot twisted the gong so only 3" showed. Too much of a challenge to pass.
I missed more than I hit the target, but it was still way too much fun.
Just Curious, How do you know someone isn't going to be coming up that road?
vanderkalin
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My thought also
Who's going to walk towards a target that someone's shooting at?
I lold
I'm going to assume that that road is a dead end, and there's no way to get to it other than passing you and your target. Because SURELY no one is stupid enough to shoot down a road that goes anywhere, let alone post pictures of it on the internets.
It's a dead-end logging road that terminates in a steep boxed in valley, which is no longer active for logging or anything else.
I drove to the end, checked all was clear before hanging the target.
Although it is not clear in the picture, the target is set so that any passing bullet would also pass 4 meters above the road. So in the unlikely event, some survivor of ha heli/plane crash came stumbling down the road, they would be safe.
The road goes around the corner behind the target which is above the road. How is someone who happens to be coming up that road, knows there is a target above their head. My question was answered by the OP. That said, If there is a road, you never know who might be on it. I've been on so called desolate logging roads and have had people shooting at me because they never dreamed anyone would be there. You can never be too careful using a firearm..JMHO
