WWII Surplus Hodgdon 4831

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Long story short, I came in to possession of 5 lbs of WWII surplus H4831 in steel cans. 4 of them are unopened, 1 is opened but apparently full. I'm not too fond of the idea of using 75+ year old powder for reloading (even though it appears to be well preserved), but I was wondering if there was a collectors market for such items?
 
I remember that stuff, I bought about 50lbs when I was a kid for about $20 in the states, certainly was a different time as the border guards didn't care and just checked we didn't bring any booze across.
 
Different powder but I remember reading about Elmer Keith /Ogdon Plant writing about sweeping up unburnt powder off a shooting bench firing a .50 BMG during testing.
 
Use IMR data. Start with the START load and work from there.

If it has a faint solvent smell, it is good powder.

Do you have a jug of new 4831? If so, mix it all up so you have a larger lot of powder to use for the worked up load.


This is the best thing to do with it.

I still have some left that I purchased in a large lot over 50 years ago. It's every bit as good today as it was back then.

I mixed up most of it with new manufacture H4831 that I picked up at when one of the local shops went out of business because the owner retired close to twenty years ago.

There was a very slight difference between the two, so as mentioned by Ganderite, I mixed it all together for one quite large lot and proceeded to use my established load data. Not one of them has had to be adjusted.

One thing, after opening and mixing those powders, MAKE SURE THE CONTAINERS ARE WELL SEALED AGAIN.
 
I'd start at max load, since milsurp 4831 will be a lot slower burning that modern canister 4831


That's a pretty broad statement. Military grade 4831 varied from lot to lot, just like powders made commercially today do. The only thing is, the lots made under wartime conditions had wider tolerances and that old powder could be found at both extremes of those tolerances.

I mentioned I had purchased a large amount over 50 years ago. There were three different lot numbers in that purchase. One of them was faster than IMR4831 and closer to IMR4350 in burn rate. The other two lots were very close. I kept a 50 pound keg from what I felt was the slowest of the three and it's very close to modern canister grade burn rates.

Even with max loads, in mid size cartridges it will be possible to reach slightly over max pressures but I seriously doubt any pressures that will have catastrophic results.

OP, your powder tins are likely just printed "4831" on a white label. Back in the day those were packaged, hand loading was considered to be "Alchemy" and only done by "Heretics" and everything was suspect and dangerous. Attention spans weren't any longer back then than they are today.

The thing is, there was some truth in those fables from the past. Some of the powders were no longer stable but sold anyway, Unstable powder has an acidic smell and is often rusty/dusty and the metal on the inside of the tins will be rusty. In severe cases, maybe even rusted through or if the powder is well on it's way to breaking down completely it will be seriously clumping, to the point you can't pour it out of the tins.

As mentioned, shoot it and sell the tins, if you can find a collector that wants them.
 
2 years ago I came in possession of 7 lbs of Hercules Infallible Shotgun Powder. Hercules Infallible was made last in 1948. I found a load for .38 Special in a 1937 reloading manual. My wife has been using that load for Cowboy Action matches the last 2 years. Unfortunately I'm down to about 3/4 of a pound left. Use it.
 
I loaded some of this old 4831 in a 300 mag. It was much hotter than current 4831. So much so that I disassembled the handloads after two blown primers... should have been more cautious.
 
I loaded some of this old 4831 in a 300 mag. It was much hotter than current 4831. So much so that I disassembled the handloads after two blown primers... should have been more cautious.

This can happen, you picked up some from a faster lot.

Ganderite mentions mixing it with new manufacture H4831 for a reason. The addition of the slower burning powder should slow the whole batch down to appx the same burn rate as the slowest powder.
 
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