Your experience with BCL102 and Norc copper washed ammo?

Man with how much effort you put into putting down the BCL-102s you must be getting paid or something, at least I hope you are...

For how much you defend them you must have got one of the three rifles they've sold that actually works as advertised.
Come back and tell us how well it's running after 5000+ rounds. My guess is that it won't even make it that far.
Even if you win the lottery and get one that works right 6061 with no anodizing will be worn through the Cerekote and rattling away long before any properly made AR-10 style rifle is showing signs of wear.

How can you discount all the negative experiences people have had with them just because you got one that works? Your rifle is the anomaly not the norm.

When the 102 was released I was really hoping that it was going to be a winner but I was skeptical because of NEA's history so I waited to see how the initial reports sounded. Glad I waited as there were so many threads with guys having issues and that was before they had even made 100 rifles. Then gen 2 came out and it was no better, just different and less compatible with aftermarket parts.
If you watch you can still find plenty of 102 problem threads popping up.

Why would anyone spend their hard earned money on a BCL when there are better options out there now for only a little more money? When it was the only option other than a Modern Hunter I understood people taking the gamble but now it just seems silly that anyone would trust BCL to make a quality product.

The biggest problem with Canadian made firearms is the firearms community. Anyone pay any attention to anything these days?

Here is the typical list of requirements I see people type on this site about non restricted semi auto rifles.
1. It has to be cheap, if it costs more than $2000 it's overpriced. This is a pretty tall order for a Canadian company considering the costs involved like North American skilled labor and shop overhead costs.
2. It has to be accurate, if it won't shoot sub moa it's no good for most. This is pretty hard to do considering a quality barrel is typically $500+ and accuracy has a lot to do with ammo selection and shooter skill as well.
3. It has to look awesome and have a nice free float forend with lots of options to hang junk off of it.
4. It has to be 100% reliable (this one I agree with)
5. It has to be light, any more than 7 pounds and guys are complaining.

So add all that up and you may figure out why corners are cut in the design, R&D, and finishing stages in order to get these things to market at the right price point. Stag is able to do it because they are a large and experienced US company, Canadian companies can't do that which is why the ATRS rifles are so expensive. If you want quality and built in Canada you have to pay for it. The BCL and Kodiak offerings are decent entry level guns but they are not high quality high end products. They were brought to market to fill a void which was an affordable non restricted semi auto battle rifle styled rifle that all the guys who wanted but couldn't afford could get into the game.

Unfortunately many new owners have never owned a rifle like these and knew nothing about maintenance, lubrication, or ammunition selection before purchase and first trip to the range which led to a lot of problems that were operator induced and blamed on the manufacturer. I see that in the posts on all these sub $2000 NR rifles not just the 102, BCL just seems to have the most problems which actually are manufacturer errors.


I have nothing against the 102 or the Stag other than what their performance history has taught me. I have experience with a Stag 10 assisting a friend with load development watching it shoot pretty small groups and run 100% reliably which is fairly common with the platform, the odd loose gas block or other small issue but nothing terribly out of the norm on average.
BCL on the other hand seems to have about five guys on here that bought one that actually works who swear it's just as good as the others and think that the reputation is unfair, I think the experiences of the majority of owners is that it is not a quality product which is evidenced by looking at the EE and seeing guys tying to sell them for a big loss and them still not selling.

You don't have to own one to have an opinion either, if someone is capable of reading and has an open mind to acknowledge the good and bad reports one can form a pretty accurate opinion of the product without owning one. Yes, there are BCL 102's that work but it sure doesn't seem like it's rare to find one that does from day one without having to be sent back.
For myself, I can see the pictures posted and read guys posts and I know which guys know nothing about their rifle other than which end the bullet comes out of and which ones truly are having issues which are manufacturer defects. I don't need to own one to be able to look at a picture posted of the inside of a bolt carrier to know that the machining is terrible and it's no wonder it burned through gas rings in 100 rounds.


Don't like what I've posted? Go back a few pages through this section and read through every thread that has something about the BCL 102 then come back and prove me wrong. How could that many people possibly have that many problems with one company's product and it all be BS just because your rifle seems to work fine for now?
 
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I have a Bcl102, it's been a mix of frustration and tempered happiness with how it runs. It does not like any softpoint ammo and is a stove pipe machine shooting it. The Hirtenberger NOW runs good after the 2nd bolt upgrade, and I have some 180 grain Barnes loads to run through it while on holidays this week. If it runs good, then I'll be happy.. Just cause I would like to try it out moose hunting this fall, cause I can.. And it will piss off my semi FUDD buddy. I got mine on a trade and for what I was into the rifle I traded, it was good deal. Do I love it, Meh, I can't say that. That said, if it runs good now, I'll be happy with it
 
I have a Bcl102, it's been a mix of frustration and tempered happiness with how it runs. It does not like any softpoint ammo and is a stove pipe machine shooting it. The Hirtenberger NOW runs good after the 2nd bolt upgrade, and I have some 180 grain Barnes loads to run through it while on holidays this week. If it runs good, then I'll be happy.. Just cause I would like to try it out moose hunting this fall, cause I can.. And it will piss off my semi FUDD buddy. I got mine on a trade and for what I was into the rifle I traded, it was good deal. Do I love it, Meh, I can't say that. That said, if it runs good now, I'll be happy with it

Having issues running soft point projectiles in a semi auto is fairly normal and not really something to hold against the rifle. The rifle was originally designed to run 150gr FMJ, not hunting loads so it's to be expected.
 
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CR5, if I discounted every gun that had an owner had an issue with, I wouldn't be able to own any guns.

I have personally found that after being the first adopter of many firearms new to the market, that I have yet to get a lemon. Seems like more than a coincidence, so I don't buy the hype. Wouldn't surprise me if there was "anti-shilling" going on on the forums here frequently. I only trust my own personal experience, not random internet heresay that is often all armchair squabblers that have no experience with what they speak of. Also, 5k rounds in a 6065 would not wear the rifle out lol funny comment though. Many rifles don't make it past 10k before needing maintenance, even the fancy pants spec ops ultra military ++ grade rifles you folks are always spouting off about. No companies QC is perfect, some less than others, and that is what warranties are for. Not only that, not everyone has to have the same opinion on something. Just don't be so malicious about it, its not the end of the world.

Also for the OP, that norinco copper washed stuff is great for any 7.62x51 rifle I have had experience with and in my experience it is better than hertenberger with regards to accuracy. ive gotten 3-4moa at best with hirtenberger and somewhere between 1.3-2.5 moa with norinco when trying for accuracy.
 
You will be fine. My BCL Gen 2 runs the Norinco surplus ball just fine. It actually preforms better than the Hirtenberger.

Below was shot at 100 yards, Vortex Crossfire ll 1-4x. Ejection is at 3:00 and 3-4 feet away. No FTF or FTE.

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This is my experience. Loves norc hates hirt.
 
How can you discount all the negative experiences people have had with them just because you got one that works? Your rifle is the anomaly not the norm
There is an unacceptably high number of returns with 102s but there is still more rifles out there that work than rifles that don’t.
 
CR5, if I discounted every gun that had an owner had an issue with, I wouldn't be able to own any guns.

I have personally found that after being the first adopter of many firearms new to the market, that I have yet to get a lemon. Seems like more than a coincidence, so I don't buy the hype. Wouldn't surprise me if there was "anti-shilling" going on on the forums here frequently. I only trust my own personal experience, not random internet heresay that is often all armchair squabblers that have no experience with what they speak of. Also, 5k rounds in a 6065 would not wear the rifle out lol funny comment though. Many rifles don't make it past 10k before needing maintenance, even the fancy pants spec ops ultra military ++ grade rifles you folks are always spouting off about. No companies QC is perfect, some less than others, and that is what warranties are for. Not only that, not everyone has to have the same opinion on something. Just don't be so malicious about it, its not the end of the world.

Also for the OP, that norinco copper washed stuff is great for any 7.62x51 rifle I have had experience with and in my experience it is better than hertenberger with regards to accuracy. ive gotten 3-4moa at best with hirtenberger and somewhere between 1.3-2.5 moa with norinco when trying for accuracy.

You can look at the pictures guys post though right? The owner may not have a clue what he's talking about and it's quite obvious most times which guys those are but the pictures they post of their rifles internals don't lie.

I don't discount every rifle that has an owner post an issue with it either, I do decide to pass on rifles where there is nothing but a steady stream of negative reports from the day the first rifle is delivered to the present day. There are still new threads popping up regularly, some with some serious issues like the one where he had the out of battery ignition that blew his rifle apart. That was all a result of poor workmanship, assembly, and QC.

Sorry, being a Canadian company raises my expectations for their product, it doesn't make me support them regardless of their poor track history.
When Norinco seems to make a more consistent product you know there is a problem with BCL and their product. The worst part is that after all these years of negative reports they don't seem to have done anything to change things, they still send out rifles that aren't even functional from day one. All they care about is taking your money and making more rifles to sell to others who only care about buying the cheapest rifle they can find.

I thought NEA was finally starting to turn things around then they became BCL and it seems like they went back to the old days except without the fantastic warranty service they had. Reports now on warranty service are mixed between good and really bad.

It's 6061 which is a soft aluminum, nothing wrong with using it for the receivers but it should be surface hardened not just Cerekoted.
Cerekote is a great finish but it does wear through eventually and when you have a hardened steel bolt carrier sliding back and forth on a bare untreated 6061 surface it's going to wear quickly.
 
I owned a bcl. Biggest mistake I made. After months of back and forth they sent a new one and I sold it.

So I was a real owner of a bcl and spent my money on it only to have it travel back and forth to them for there bull#### fixes and never got past 3 rounds in a row.

Save yourself some stress and buy something else is my first hand opinion.
 
I owned a bcl. Biggest mistake I made. After months of back and forth they sent a new one and I sold it.

So I was a real owner of a bcl and spent my money on it only to have it travel back and forth to them for there bull#### fixes and never got past 3 rounds in a row.

Save yourself some stress and buy something else is my first hand opinion.

Well some guys don't have issues therefore all is well with BCL and no one should bother listening to the large proportion of unsatisfied customers...
 
Well some guys don't have issues therefore all is well with BCL and no one should bother listening to the large proportion of unsatisfied customers...
Which is also cool. They can go ahead and waste there money and time.

I bought another 308 that actually works. Lol.
 
Read this thread or any other thread on CGN that talks about the 102, you'll figure it out pretty quick.

At this point I would say they are never going to change. I pick up an NEA/BCL every few years just to check it out. I am always disappointed.
 
At this point I would say they are never going to change. I pick up an NEA/BCL every few years just to check it out. I am always disappointed.

And some people will never learn from other people's mistakes, they insist on learning the hard way.
It's the only explanation I can come up with as to how this ignorant company is still in business. For every positive report there are at least five negative yet people keep buying them.
This has been going on for years, they're cheap and Canadian so they must be good.
 
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