150gr 0.308 Partition?

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I am looking at reloading for a bolt action 30-30 and a thought had come to mind on using some 150gr spire point partitions for this task.

The problem is that the length is pretty critical for these and how things work sit into the case and the magazine.

Rather than buying a box of 50 for $65 to do a test I was hoping someone used them and I could get 1 or 2 for a test.

I am in the Ottawa area, if anyone else is around this area.

I thought this was worth a shot, could not find any partial boxes at gun shows this year, that was my first place to look.

Thanks
 
Tubular mag? If so, the length is critical. If too long they wont feed and you have to take the mag apart to try again.

The bullet might be too long forward of the case mouth. You may not be able to seat bullet deep enough. But it sounds like you already know that, so 2 bullets is all you need to find out.

The bullet is a good choice. You could single load one partition and load the mag with regular bullets.

All you ever need it the one good shot, anyway.
 
Hitzy said:
OP says it's a bolt action...I can't think of any other then the Savage 340 types that are mag fed.
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It is a CIL 830, so a Savage 340 that was re-branded, there are also a pile of other savage bolt guns of different but similar models.

There was also a Remington bolt action in 30-30, the model 788.

The key here is using a better BC bullet that is tougher than the Hornady FTX, that is just an SST with a soft point and not a heavily built bullet.

I have run the numbers, a 170 Partition for the 30-30 drops under 1000 ft lbs just over 200 yards, the 150gr spire point has 1300 ft lbs at that same 200 yards and drops below 100 ft lbs just over 300 yards.

The issue I have is that I want to make sure that the bullet sits right and cycles right in this gun before spending $80 on bullets I would never use on any other project :D

I don't want to have the bullet sit too deep into the case unless I can trim to a custom length to keep it from collecting gunk.

Thanks for reading the actual post, ha ha.
 
I've loaded the 150gr SST (308 Marlin version) in my 30-30 lever, crimped at the cannelure and they worked fine. Little shorter and fatter then the standard 308 version.
I'm going to try 125gr AB's next, I think they will be a good fit for 30-30 velocity.
I have a lever, so one load one in the mag tube, one in the chamber, but keep 7 in a butt pouch.
 
skeeter317 said:
I'm in your area as well and could spare a few Hawk 150gr .308 Flat points, if you are interested. PM me if so.
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Thanks but I am trying to get a higher BC and flat points and RN bullets don't do a lot.

Where did you source Hawk bullets though? Locally? They make a pile of odd sized bullets and I like to shoot odd guns.
 
Fox said:
I am looking at reloading for a bolt action 30-30 and a thought had come to mind on using some 150gr spire point partitions for this task.

The problem is that the length is pretty critical for these and how things work sit into the case and the magazine.

Rather than buying a box of 50 for $65 to do a test I was hoping someone used them and I could get 1 or 2 for a test.

I am in the Ottawa area, if anyone else is around this area.

I thought this was worth a shot, could not find any partial boxes at gun shows this year, that was my first place to look.

Thanks
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I did this same thing with Speers 150 gr BTSP In a Savage 340. I think your COL will be fine for that mag with the Partitions, but I'm not sure that is the best bullet for that chambering. They recommend a min of 1800 FPS on impact for the best bullet performance with the Partitions and the BC of Partitions is not all that good. I feel there are better choices. I wished I had tried 125 Nos Ballistic tips instead. I guess it all depends what your end use is for this cartridge. Just My two cents.
 
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g-manz35 said:
I did this same thing with Speers 150 gr BTSP In a Savage 340. I think your COL will be fine for that mag with the Partitions, but I'm not sure that is the best bullet for that chambering. They recommend a min of 1800 FPS on impact for the best bullet performance with the Partitions and the BC of Partitions is not all that good. I feel there are better choices. I wished I had tried 125 Nos Ballistic tips instead. I guess it all depends what your end use is for this cartridge. Just My two cents.
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Based on the calculators with a 150gr partition with the listed Nosler BC you would get about 1800fps at 300 yards, about the same as the 1000ft lbs of energy "requirement" for deer.

I based this on a 2400fps velocity, which is 100fps below what Hodgdon lists as a max for LVR powder, so close to attainable in my mind.

The partition is a short bullet being a flat base, it is actually shorter than a 160gr FTX bullet.

There would need to be some work up but I want a spitzer bullet with a tougher bullet, the FTX bullet shoots well and we will use that for deer but at this time my wife has 1 rifle and if going for something tougher we want a tougher bullet.
 
I don't have a lot of "faith" in the energy numbers regarding selection of bullets, but I do very much respect the expansion design criteria - which is impact speed. Most bullet manufacturers seem to call for minimum 1,800 fps at impact, for the bullet to expand. Some, like the LRAB go down to 1,300 fps. Several experienced big/heavy game guides call for 2,200 to 2,400 minimum impact speed to achieve a "shock" effect. And sometimes luck plays a role - I personally watched a friend lob a factory 180 grain 30-06 at a white-tail buck at over 600 yards - the deer just fell over - high shoulder/spine hit - guesstimated impact velocity less than 1,700 fps. It would have been very tough tracking and recovery if he had hit 6 or 8 inches lower. Bullet placement trumps most any other factor in getting your animal. Bore size is up there as well - can't say I can understand the difference between a 30 caliber bullet that upsets into a blunt nose .45" bullet passing through a deer, compared to a blunt nosed non expanding .45" on the same path - I do believe the hole and the damaged tissue causes the bleeding which actually causes death on the lung/body shots. Maybe there is something to that "shock" effect.
 
Potashminer said:
I don't have a lot of "faith" in the energy numbers regarding selection of bullets, but I do very much respect the expansion design criteria - which is impact speed. Most bullet manufacturers seem to call for minimum 1,800 fps at impact, for the bullet to expand. Some, like the LRAB go down to 1,300 fps. Several experienced big/heavy game guides call for 2,200 to 2,400 minimum impact speed to achieve a "shock" effect. And sometimes luck plays a role - I personally watched a friend lob a factory 180 grain 30-06 at a white-tail buck at over 600 yards - the deer just fell over - high shoulder/spine hit - guesstimated impact velocity less than 1,700 fps. It would have been very tough tracking and recovery if he had hit 6 or 8 inches lower. Bullet placement trumps most any other factor in getting your animal. Bore size is up there as well - can't say I can understand the difference between a 30 caliber bullet that upsets into a blunt nose .45" bullet passing through a deer, compared to a blunt nosed non expanding .45" on the same path - I do believe the hole and the damaged tissue causes the bleeding which actually causes death on the lung/body shots. Maybe there is something to that "shock" effect.
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The only thing I am trying to do it load a tough bullet with a BC that is better than a brick, there is no way this is going to be used at 300 yards for a deer but if my wife wants to be able to go on a bear hunt or a moose hunt I would feel better about having a partition bullet holding some speed over a slow moving RN bullet, the 170gr partition loses 100 yards with the same numbers when compared to the 150gr spitzer bullet. I would also feel better about a tough bullet compared to an SST bullet (that is what the FTX is) when needing deeper penetration.

I am not going to listen to anyone who says to buy another gun, that is not going to happen for now, working with the functionality of what she has and likes as a new hunter and shooter.
 
Fox said:
I am looking at reloading for a bolt action 30-30 and a thought had come to mind on using some 150gr spire point partitions for this task.

The problem is that the length is pretty critical for these and how things work sit into the case and the magazine.

Rather than buying a box of 50 for $65 to do a test I was hoping someone used them and I could get 1 or 2 for a test.

I am in the Ottawa area, if anyone else is around this area.

I thought this was worth a shot, could not find any partial boxes at gun shows this year, that was my first place to look.

Thanks
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They are awesome bullets at 308 Win and 30-06 velocities ... should be fine in a 30-30 too ... as long as the velocity doesn't drop below 1800 fps
 
Carbon12 said:
They are awesome bullets at 308 Win and 30-06 velocities ... should be fine in a 30-30 too ... as long as the velocity doesn't drop below 1800 fps
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Exactly.

I remember having the argument with people about the 30-30, they told me that a 308 bullet would not work in the 30-30, ha ha ha. They claimed 500 yards with the 308 to work properly but in the 30-30 there is just not enough velocity, yet the velocity was identical.

It is not what moves the bullet to the speed but rather the speed and weight to compare.
 
A slower bullet will also penetrate deeper vs a faster one, as it is not expanding and slowing down in the animal as much... identical bullets of course. Watched this with Woodleighs on YouTube, 140gr 7mm pill shot out out a 7x57 and a 7mm Rem, the 7mm Rem expanded faster, but did not penetrate nearly as deep as the 7x57.
I wouldn't worry too much about the 30-30 capabilities even with cup/core bullets as it's velocity is much kinder to them then larger cases.
 
Hitzy said:
A slower bullet will also penetrate deeper vs a faster one, as it is not expanding and slowing down in the animal as much... identical bullets of course. Watched this with Woodleighs on YouTube, 140gr 7mm pill shot out out a 7x57 and a 7mm Rem, the 7mm Rem expanded faster, but did not penetrate nearly as deep as the 7x57.
I wouldn't worry too much about the 30-30 capabilities even with cup/core bullets as it's velocity is much kinder to them then larger cases.
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I am not worried but like the idea of something staying solid, a bonded bullet or solid base of some sort, like the Swift A-frame, Partition or a few others like that. The FTX is going to be a fine bullet for deer, just not comfortable for heavy bone or thick bodies.

I have a few on the way, if they fit and cycle and do not sit too weird into the case I will be picking up a box and seeing how they shoot.
 
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