Trudeau's Gun Ban and Buy Back

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A great post, 209jones.

Maybe just something to keep in mind, is that the polls indicated that almost half of PPC support, came from sources other than the CPC runaways.

Just imo, but I think the PPC has attracted people that would otherwise not vote at all, more than from anywhere else

That is just not so.

The PPC platform clashes with any aspect of Liberal/NDP or Green party belief or platform.

There is no cross over material there to source other than the CPC.

The only conceivable benefit is that those in the PPC are people that would simply bring embarrassment to the CPC by their views and behavior.

So perhaps some people that could have cost votes.

But a lot of people simply confused by the deliberate choice to use PPC as a name confusing with CPC

and then simply another group which is the largest portion that has been misled by the Bernier puppetmaster about how our voting system works.
 
I urge you to rethink this, and take a good look at the science and data.

I also urge you to immediately head to China or India and show them exactly how important the climate is.

Perhaps you should do a bit more research. China is becoming the largest investor in clean and renewable energy in the world. Middle East countries are investing heavily as well. They see the writing on the wall. Also, that logic that we shouldn't bother doing anything because others won't is stupid and the problem right there. We need to do our part and lead by example while cooperating with others to pressure lagards and encourage change. Doing nothing isn't a solution. We have passed a tipping point already and the question now is whether we can mitigate the damage and prevent even greater climate shifts.

I also see people mentioning ethics and SNC Lavalin. Give me a break. The Conservatives have always been about big business. If you for a minute think the Cons wouldn't have pushed for a deal for SNC you are a fool or a hypocrit. The only difference would have been that the Conservative AG would have been on board , a deal would have happened, and we would have likely never heard about it. Don't talk to me about ethics with either party. Almost all politicians are crooked, regardless of party affiliation. The Conmservatives don't have any better record there. Harper was notorius for trying to quash information, bury scandals, sneak legislation through in omnibus bills, prorogue parlaiment to avoid votes etc. Scheer has shown no evidence he would be any different. Add to that the swing to the right by the party instead of being more center right and it's a bad recipe for Canada.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the job the Liberals have done either. They've done several things I disagree with. This gun ban is stupid and pointless. I agree there. But there are things I value more than guns that I think the Conservatives would put in jeopardy. I wish there was a viable third alternative. But the reality is we have two choices and my conclusion is that, while both are bad choices, the Liberals are the slightly less bad choice overall.
 
Perhaps you should do a bit more research. China is becoming the largest investor in clean and renewable energy in the world. Middle East countries are investing heavily as well. They see the writing on the wall. Also, that logic that we shouldn't bother doing anything because others won't is stupid and the problem right there. We need to do our part and lead by example while cooperating with others to pressure lagards and encourage change. Doing nothing isn't a solution. We have passed a tipping point already and the question now is whether we can mitigate the damage and prevent even greater climate shifts.

I also see people mentioning ethics and SNC Lavalin. Give me a break. The Conservatives have always been about big business. If you for a minute think the Cons wouldn't have pushed for a deal for SNC you are a fool or a hypocrit. The only difference would have been that the Conservative AG would have been on board , a deal would have happened, and we would have likely never heard about it. Don't talk to me about ethics with either party. Almost all politicians are crooked, regardless of party affiliation. The Conmservatives don't have any better record there. Harper was notorius for trying to quash information, bury scandals, sneak legislation through in omnibus bills, prorogue parlaiment to avoid votes etc. Scheer has shown no evidence he would be any different. Add to that the swing to the right by the party instead of being more center right and it's a bad recipe for Canada.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the job the Liberals have done either. They've done several things I disagree with. This gun ban is stupid and pointless. I agree there. But there are things I value more than guns that I think the Conservatives would put in jeopardy. I wish there was a viable third alternative. But the reality is we have two choices and my conclusion is that, while both are bad choices, the Liberals are the slightly less bad choice overall.

right...recent join date and no feedback score.. liberal schill....
 
Good argument there mate. Can't argue the facts so you go for the ad hominem attack. Logical fail!

Went through this in 2015... not my first rodeo
Tryed and trued liberal schill response..
Your next move will be a spelling or grammar error..
straight from the playbook
 
Perhaps you should do a bit more research. China is becoming the largest investor in clean and renewable energy in the world. Middle East countries are investing heavily as well. They see the writing on the wall. Also, that logic that we shouldn't bother doing anything because others won't is stupid and the problem right there. We need to do our part and lead by example while cooperating with others to pressure lagards and encourage change. Doing nothing isn't a solution. We have passed a tipping point already and the question now is whether we can mitigate the damage and prevent even greater climate shifts.

I also see people mentioning ethics and SNC Lavalin. Give me a break. The Conservatives have always been about big business. If you for a minute think the Cons wouldn't have pushed for a deal for SNC you are a fool or a hypocrit. The only difference would have been that the Conservative AG would have been on board , a deal would have happened, and we would have likely never heard about it. Don't talk to me about ethics with either party. Almost all politicians are crooked, regardless of party affiliation. The Conmservatives don't have any better record there. Harper was notorius for trying to quash information, bury scandals, sneak legislation through in omnibus bills, prorogue parlaiment to avoid votes etc. Scheer has shown no evidence he would be any different. Add to that the swing to the right by the party instead of being more center right and it's a bad recipe for Canada.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the job the Liberals have done either. They've done several things I disagree with. This gun ban is stupid and pointless. I agree there. But there are things I value more than guns that I think the Conservatives would put in jeopardy. I wish there was a viable third alternative. But the reality is we have two choices and my conclusion is that, while both are bad choices, the Liberals are the slightly less bad choice overall.

Your vote will be a message to Trudeau that his racist, ###ist, and irresponsible actions are ok.

Your vote will be a message to Other countries that Canada’s racist, ###ist, and irresponsible actions are ok.

Your vote will be a message to your children that racist, ###ist, and irresponsible actions are ok.


The election is 4 weeks away. I’d ask that you keep an open mind in the coming weeks, and reconsider your choice to prop up Trudeau’s actions.

Thanks.
 
Went through this in 2015... not my first rodeo
Tryed and trued liberal schill response..
Your next move will be a spelling or grammar error..
straight from the playbook

Again, have any cogent and useful comments or argument to make? Or just the usual tin foil paranoia? Just because you don't like what I have to say doesn't make it part of some conspiracy or something. Not everyone thinks like you do or sees things the same as you do. I wish you well in developing a broader and more nuanced view of the world.
 
Your vote will be a message to Trudeau that his racist, ###ist, and irresponsible actions are ok.

Your vote will be a message to Other countries that Canada’s racist, ###ist, and irresponsible actions are ok.

Your vote will be a message to your children that racist, ###ist, and irresponsible actions are ok.


The election is 4 weeks away. I’d ask that you keep an open mind in the coming weeks, and reconsider your choice to prop up Trudeau’s actions.

Thanks.

How exactly is trudeau ###ist? He appointed more women to cabinet positions and positions of influence than any other prime minister in history.

How is it racist? Some costumes that were part of plays or to portray characters? Intent matters a great deal and people of colour who were with him at the time have said they were not offended or didn't see anything wrong with it. Now if you want to talk racism, we can look at Conservative and PPC candidates that associate with white supremacists or are anti immmigrant etc.

Irresponsible? Sure. On some fronts absolutely. But that's not exclusive to the Liberals and evidence suggests the Conservatives would also be irresponsible on a number of fronts.
 
Perhaps you should do a bit more research. China is becoming the largest investor in clean and renewable energy in the world. Middle East countries are investing heavily as well. They see the writing on the wall. Also, that logic that we shouldn't bother doing anything because others won't is stupid and the problem right there. We need to do our part and lead by example while cooperating with others to pressure lagards and encourage change. Doing nothing isn't a solution. We have passed a tipping point already and the question now is whether we can mitigate the damage and prevent even greater climate shifts.

I also see people mentioning ethics and SNC Lavalin. Give me a break. The Conservatives have always been about big business. If you for a minute think the Cons wouldn't have pushed for a deal for SNC you are a fool or a hypocrit. The only difference would have been that the Conservative AG would have been on board , a deal would have happened, and we would have likely never heard about it. Don't talk to me about ethics with either party. Almost all politicians are crooked, regardless of party affiliation. The Conmservatives don't have any better record there. Harper was notorius for trying to quash information, bury scandals, sneak legislation through in omnibus bills, prorogue parlaiment to avoid votes etc. Scheer has shown no evidence he would be any different. Add to that the swing to the right by the party instead of being more center right and it's a bad recipe for Canada.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the job the Liberals have done either. They've done several things I disagree with. This gun ban is stupid and pointless. I agree there. But there are things I value more than guns that I think the Conservatives would put in jeopardy. I wish there was a viable third alternative. But the reality is we have two choices and my conclusion is that, while both are bad choices, the Liberals are the slightly less bad choice overall.

You should be pinked for the bolded part...
 
Perhaps you should do a bit more research. China is becoming the largest investor in clean and renewable energy in the world. Middle East countries are investing heavily as well. They see the writing on the wall. Also, that logic that we shouldn't bother doing anything because others won't is stupid and the problem right there. We need to do our part and lead by example while cooperating with others to pressure lagards and encourage change. Doing nothing isn't a solution. We have passed a tipping point already and the question now is whether we can mitigate the damage and prevent even greater climate shifts.

I also see people mentioning ethics and SNC Lavalin. Give me a break. The Conservatives have always been about big business. If you for a minute think the Cons wouldn't have pushed for a deal for SNC you are a fool or a hypocrit. The only difference would have been that the Conservative AG would have been on board , a deal would have happened, and we would have likely never heard about it. Don't talk to me about ethics with either party. Almost all politicians are crooked, regardless of party affiliation. The Conmservatives don't have any better record there. Harper was notorius for trying to quash information, bury scandals, sneak legislation through in omnibus bills, prorogue parlaiment to avoid votes etc. Scheer has shown no evidence he would be any different. Add to that the swing to the right by the party instead of being more center right and it's a bad recipe for Canada.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the job the Liberals have done either. They've done several things I disagree with. This gun ban is stupid and pointless. I agree there. But there are things I value more than guns that I think the Conservatives would put in jeopardy. I wish there was a viable third alternative. But the reality is we have two choices and my conclusion is that, while both are bad choices, the Liberals are the slightly less bad choice overall.

What exactly does investing in clean and renewable energy in the world mean wrt actually decreasing their own CO2 emissions? This is a deflection. If we want to get serious about climate change the BEST way to do it is to stop buying products made in countries that have environmental standards lower than ours. Out sourcing manufacturing of solar panels to China is the height of stupidity. Carbon taxes in western countires is similarly idiotic if China, Indian and other major polluters are not doing the same. We harm clean industries here and assist dirty industry elsewhere.
As far as your "theory" about the CPC doing the same with SNC-Lavalin, NONSENSE. The LPC has always been the party of big business, they have demonstrated repeatedly that they are corrupt and take payouts from big business. The conservative parties in Canada have always been much more supportive of small business. Less government is always a benefit to small business. Big business loves big government.
I don't get you wrong, you are a lieberal apologist and not a very good one.
 
Again, have any cogent and useful comments or argument to make? Or just the usual tin foil paranoia? Just because you don't like what I have to say doesn't make it part of some conspiracy or something. Not everyone thinks like you do or sees things the same as you do. I wish you well in developing a broader and more nuanced view of the world.

You're an obvious shill.

Have some integrity and wear it.
 
How exactly is trudeau ###ist? He appointed more women to cabinet positions and positions of influence than any other prime minister in history.

How is it racist? Some costumes that were part of plays or to portray characters? Intent matters a great deal and people of colour who were with him at the time have said they were not offended or didn't see anything wrong with it. Now if you want to talk racism, we can look at Conservative and PPC candidates that associate with white supremacists or are anti immmigrant etc.

Irresponsible? Sure. On some fronts absolutely. But that's not exclusive to the Liberals and evidence suggests the Conservatives would also be irresponsible on a number of fronts.

Really?
OK, let's examine this. He appointed ministers BECAUSE they were female. That is ###ist. He also appointed most to junior ministerial positions where they were paid less, and got caught. Then he was forced to pay them equally. And of course finally, he refused to treat them as equals, or adults and fired them because they felt following the law was more important than covering for corruption. That is very ###ist. He is also a serial groper, and as we will likely see soon, cheater.

How is he racist? Let's start with the soft racism of low expectations. Note how he believes people of colour need his help to succeed? Notice how he only thinks in terms of race on every issue? Why is it that he insists people of colour require assistance getting jobs, positions, or treated differently in the courts? He apparently has a history of donning black face, and even though some people insist that they were not offended, he himself has declared that such activity is racist. So, either he was racist and is now suffering from an enormous white guilt complex, or he is still racist and is over compensating. In either case he is more racist than ANY of the other candidates he has accused of the same over the past decade.
Sorry, you can't have it both ways. He is at least if not more racist than any of the Conservative candidates he has pointed the finger at, your attempts to cover for him notwithstanding.
 
"It is illegal to possess any kind of firearms in Mexico..."

Not true at all. Mexicans can only legally buy through a central government run gun selling entity called Sedena. One location and Mexicans must travel there to buy. They can own: handguns .38 Special and under (.38 Super is no longer allowed), .380 is the largest caliber for a semi-auto pistol unless you have one of the rare .38 Special semi-autos. Any manually operated rifle is permitted but no military calibers are allowed (no .30-06, .308, etc.) and I forget what the largest caliber allowed is so 7mm, .243, 6mm, 25-06, etc. are OK. I think that some semi-auto high power rifles are allowed like a Remington 7mm model 7400 but I'm not sure. Semi auto sporting shotguns are allowed along with pumps, O/U, double barrel, single shot. There is a provision to get a CCW and its not that difficult but you need to hire a lawyer to get it.
 
Milanczar, not to belabor the point, but those stats were posted on here by our rangebob, and quite recently, too.

Yes, I agree with the choice of naming (PPC), with intent or without, to be absolute C.R.A.P. That's the kind of shifty stuff the left does, and I'd hate to ever see our side stoop that low. Apparently, politics is a dirty game.
That is just not so.

The PPC platform clashes with any aspect of Liberal/NDP or Green party belief or platform.

There is no cross over material there to source other than the CPC.

The only conceivable benefit is that those in the PPC are people that would simply bring embarrassment to the CPC by their views and behavior.

So perhaps some people that could have cost votes.

But a lot of people simply confused by the deliberate choice to use PPC as a name confusing with CPC

and then simply another group which is the largest portion that has been misled by the Bernier puppetmaster about how our voting system works.
 
Again, have any cogent and useful comments or argument to make? Or just the usual tin foil paranoia? Just because you don't like what I have to say doesn't make it part of some conspiracy or something. Not everyone thinks like you do or sees things the same as you do. I wish you well in developing a broader and more nuanced view of the world.

I feel that I'm quite open minded and I thought I was a just to right of centre in my politics.
But the Marxist Justin is taking us down the road to not having a free Canada
And forcing many of us to lean more to the right..
No more middle ground any more liberals, greens and dippers all the same
Marxists, communist
And for me anyways it took the Donald to point out the Fake News
And this multi million payout to the broadcasting and journalist is buying their complete loyalty
Tax payer money?? Not real money?
 
Perhaps you should do a bit more research. China is becoming the largest investor in clean and renewable energy in the world. Middle East countries are investing heavily as well. They see the writing on the wall. Also, that logic that we shouldn't bother doing anything because others won't is stupid and the problem right there. We need to do our part and lead by example while cooperating with others to pressure lagards and encourage change. Doing nothing isn't a solution. We have passed a tipping point already and the question now is whether we can mitigate the damage and prevent even greater climate shifts.

I also see people mentioning ethics and SNC Lavalin. Give me a break. The Conservatives have always been about big business. If you for a minute think the Cons wouldn't have pushed for a deal for SNC you are a fool or a hypocrit. The only difference would have been that the Conservative AG would have been on board , a deal would have happened, and we would have likely never heard about it. Don't talk to me about ethics with either party. Almost all politicians are crooked, regardless of party affiliation. The Conmservatives don't have any better record there. Harper was notorius for trying to quash information, bury scandals, sneak legislation through in omnibus bills, prorogue parlaiment to avoid votes etc. Scheer has shown no evidence he would be any different. Add to that the swing to the right by the party instead of being more center right and it's a bad recipe for Canada.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the job the Liberals have done either. They've done several things I disagree with. This gun ban is stupid and pointless. I agree there. But there are things I value more than guns that I think the Conservatives would put in jeopardy. I wish there was a viable third alternative. But the reality is we have two choices and my conclusion is that, while both are bad choices, the Liberals are the slightly less bad choice overall.

Nice join date. Please go.
 
Just popping by to say: A VOTE FOR THE PPC WILL ENSURE ANOTHER LIBERAL GOVERNMENT.

Just got the brochure for my area’s ppc candidate. While it does outline mostly all ideas that I support, it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to understand that splitting the conservative vote will hand Justin an easy victory.

The brochure says: “while some people think that splitting the conservative vote may ensure another Liberal government, the truth is that the PPC is taking votes away from Liberals, NDPs, and conservatives equally.”

BULL CHIT!!

There is not one single Lib in this country who is going to pull away from Justin and side with Max, dont make me laugh...

I sure hope the rest of you gunnies dont drink the Kool-aid... you WILL REGRET IT.
 
Legit I didn't even realize the join date lol. We should be accepting of alternate viewpoints here, but the fact that he joined just to support liberals is odd af

Why should we be accepting alternative viewpoints? The left wants us disarmed and dead.
 
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