Trudeau's Gun Ban and Buy Back

[CoonT]

Nice throw away line.

Except you forgot there is no future at present....

Well, here we are in the future. I still have my guns..

As long as there is ZERO compliance with confiscations, then we all get to keep our guns, much further into the future than 4 minutes, lol.


IMo, thats actually one way we can turn Canada's relatively small number of RPAL holders into a positive. It shouldn't be too hard to get the message to every single one of them, that as long as no one hands them in ever, then there's nothing the federalis can do.

Sounds easy enough, eh?

 

[CoonT]

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was.....

busy rounding up socialists.

 

[Milanczar]

Well, here we are in the future. I still have my guns..

As long as there is ZERO compliance with confiscations, then we all get to keep our guns, much further into the future than 4 minutes, lol.


IMo, thats actually one way we can turn Canada's relatively small number of RPAL holders into a positive. It shouldn't be too hard to get the message to every single one of them, that as long as no one hands them in ever, then there's nothing the federalis can do.

Sounds easy enough, eh?

Easy enough eh?

How are you easily dealing with these facts of life?

They know where you live. If you move and don't tell them how are you dealing with that?

Not telling them you moved itself under circumstances of a banned weapon involved will get you in more trouble than you should or would want.

They are going to be looking for examples to make and they will make them.

For every house on TV being ripped apart, there are going to be lines around the corner from the marginal gunnies falling overthemselves so their
wives and girlfriends stop freaking out that their house is next.

What about any Restricteds that they ban they know you have?

What are you going to do so they forget/don't know you have them?

Claim you lost, had them suddenly stolen? Not in your possession? When? All of them? Did you report it immediately?

What about other Restricted and Non restricteds and all your ammo etc that they will take when the 'easy' plans go awry?

Don't give them your banned restricted the piece of paper says you own and they will come and take everything else instead.

Then they get to work.

Everyone ok with your place of residence being turned upside down?

And your friends that GPS, your phone and all the other breadcrumbs connect to you?

You think they will not check there?

How are your friends for stone faced LEO enquiry about you? Will they go to the wall? All of them? How about their wives and girlfriends?

Then for the tricky dickies there are the puppies with the noses of gold.........can't miss secret rooms, floorboards, behind drywall, woods, bushes etc.

For larger outdoor areas there is thing called ground radar. Its neat, each unit costs only about 15K and quickly scans up to 20foot swaths of ground.

They find a 'vug' and you have the backhoes going to work looking for buried treasure.

I am glad and greatly relieved you believe it is so easy......

 

[CoonT]

Easy enough eh?

How are you easily dealing with these facts of life?

They know where you live. If you move and don't tell them how are you dealing with that?

Not telling them you moved itself under circumstances of a banned weapon involved will get you in more trouble than you should or would want.

What about any Restricteds that they ban they know you have?

What are you going to do so they forget/don't know you have them?

Claim you lost, had them suddenly stolen? Not in your possession? When? All of them? Did you report it immediately?

What about other Restricted and Non restricteds and all your ammo etc that they will take when the 'easy' plans go awry?

Everyone ok with your place of residence being turned upside down?

And your friends that GPS, your phone and all the other breadcrumbs connect to you?

You think they will not check there?

How are your friends for stone faced LEO enquiry about you? Will they go to the wall? All of them? How about their wives and girlfriends?

Then for the tricky dickies there are the puppies with the noses of gold.........can't miss secret rooms, floorboards, behind drywall, woods, bushes etc.

For larger outdoor areas there is thing called ground radar. Its neat, each unit costs only about 15K and quickly scans up to 20foot swaths of ground.

They find a 'vug' and you have the backhoes going to work looking for buried treasure.

I am glad and greatly relieved you believe it is so easy......

Not to flirt with post impropriety, but:

-Canada IS one giant outdoor area. They won't bother ever going to look for your guns. That you don't get to use them, and that your culture dies with you, is all they are really after.

-"Friends"? There are no friends in this game. Every man has his own decisions to make, and is solely responsible for his actions. Here's to hoping that they all reach the same conclusions, independently . Nothing wrong with suggestions though, is there?

-Every cell tower that pops up, is another nail in your privacy's coffin. Don't forget your vehicle is tracked now too, basically you are online 24/7. Hedge accordingly.

-Restricteds are registered, and hence are already gone. You knew that when you bought them. IMo, AR's will remain as abundant in this country as ever though, and will very likely increase in numbers. (not legally of course.... Heavily restricting the 'lower' and not even regulating the other 98% of the rifle? Hahaha, silly rabbits.)

-We aren't "here" yet, in this potential future you propose. It is difficult to judge these outcomes by present-day ... parameters. ie. the Canada where groups of glorified postal carriers with guns go marching door-to-door collecting guns and tossing our homes, is a very different Canada indeed, than the one we are living in now.



I'm not giving up my guns. Not now, not ever. IMo, "Come and get them" means something very different now, than it does in that future of yours. That's why it's imperative that we hold the line here now, and make sure the future is the one we want, and not the one they are trying to force on us.

 

[zywina]

John it great to hear a voice from our Canadian gun industry speak up and out, I applaud your effort!
But the Liberals should call this what it is a confiscation of our privately owned property, I thought my grandfather's and uncle's went to war to stop tyranny here at home!!!

 

[Pumpjack]

Remember, the blackface turd isn't really after our firearms, he is after us, our guns are just in their way.

 

[JJ1979]

It would be great to have the question of cost brought up in debate to force an answer.
How many would pause to vote for a ban if they knew how much it would cost taxpayers. As we have seen the budget will not balance it self out.

Can point out the projected budget of the long gun registry vs how much it actually cost. Wasn't the registry projected to be 2 million and ended up costing 1 Billion? If that cost 1 Billion what it the heck will this cost???

The simple logistics of this proposed ban are staggering. It would require:
- Re-doing the long gun registry (which has been said wont happen). How else would they propose to identify and locate who has what (even with a copy of the old one they will have to redo it since last time and do you recall the forms...make - unknown, action - unknown, caliber - unknown). How long will that take never mind the cost.
- Establish the personnel, protocol and building the infrastructure to locate and take the firearms (at least the Restricted are known so it will be simpler). As well would it be expected that the firearms be surrendered to local police stations? or a central storage? What will happen to them (I would actually hope the raw materials be recycled if possible)
- Printing letters to the owners stating the intent of the gov't to take the private private property (what a waste of paper and materials - great for the environment) or is it going to be unannounced knocks on the door of everyone who holds a PAL RPAL? that should go over well.
- Wading through the due process, dealing with non compliance (further letters, etc. as it is unlikely that a swat team situation will go over well) (2.2 million... how long will that take?) court costs? And what about skyrocketing police salaries/overtime to police this (perhaps this may be why the police chiefs jumped on board?) It pretty much guarantees overtime for the next however long)
- Even sending the letters (likely via registered mail - how much will that cost?? Canada post will certainly get some increase in revenue) Even with regular postage stamps.... 2.2 million at 85 cents a pop ... because with out knowing who has what non restricted semis a letter has to go out to every single PAL/RPAL holder in the country. And what about any and all literature that will likely go out to every single household (similar to the post card sized flyer that went out when marijuana was legalized) explaining what actually has happened to Joe and Jane Public. What about that cost?
- I am not even going to talk about the buy back at 'fair market value' b/c who knows what that will be. But it wont be cheap.

I am interested in the handling the media / social issues if there is ... not so peaceful push back.

This while there is a lack of funding for health care. Education is underfunded. Communities have limited access to clean drinking water (which may be a nice step in reparations to the maligned native communities). Problems with affordable housing. Issues of the working poor, and poverty in our own country (which were made so much better with minimum wage increases). This while emergency services are lacking funding. This while at risk youth lack social support and programs that are truly actually capable of steering them away from gangs, violence and drugs.

And no real plan to address actual crime, criminals and violence. But yeah... take law abiding citizens private property. That is the answer.

All the while there has been no answer as to how much this will cost. Just my .02 cents. Stop this by forcing the answer of how much they propose it will actually cost. Each. And. Every. Canadian.

 

[maverick29]

This is why I don’t own and never will own an AR-15. The RPAL is enough of a pain in the ass with pistols. I actually wish I never got my RPAL and therefore never told the government where I have my firearms. It actually juat puts you on their radar instead of just being lumped in with all the hunters. XCRs T97s Tavors SKSs and CZ858s are plenty good enough for me not to mention the literal dozens of other good quality reliable NRs available.

 

[joe-nwt]

This is why I don’t own and never will own an AR-15. The RPAL is enough of a pain in the ass with pistols. I actually wish I never got my RPAL and therefore never told the government where I have my firearms. It actually juat puts you on their radar instead of just being lumped in with all the hunters. XCRs T97s Tavors SKSs and CZ858s are plenty good enough for me not to mention the literal dozens of other good quality reliable NRs available.

That would have made the eventual confiscation of your non-restricted that much quicker. All those guns you listed will likely be on the same list as the AR when and if it comes out.
Can't you see that? Oh, I guess you could keep them hidden away or buried, would that really make you feel better?

 

[maverick29]

That would have made the eventual confiscation of your non-restricted that much quicker. All those guns you listed will likely be on the same list as the AR when and if it comes out.
Can't you see that? Oh, I guess you could keep them hidden away or buried, would that really make you feel better?

Your first sentence does not make one iota of sense.

Secondly. Would selling your NR semi autos to the government to have them destroyed make you feel good? What if a right wing or even sensible centrist party gets back in and makes semis legal again with the stroke of a pen and you already handed yours in to be non-sensically destroyed?

All of the fear mongering and vote scolding garbage spewed on this website over the last few days is disheartening and is seriously ignorant of recent political past. If you did absolutely nothing during Chretien's LGR you would have been made a criminal and then not a criminal all within a measly 8 years. The idea this is going to stick long term and that any judge would throw you in jail for keeping a semi auto is absurd. Have some goddamned balls for once.

 

[bcbravo2zero]

I certainly wouldn't advocate anyone get their hopes up that they wouldn't ban something, as hope is usually a poor course of action. Which is why many of us our working full steam right now to help our local non-liberal, and preferably CPC get elected. While I am pretty sure Trudeau won't effectively do anything significant against our community, I certainly would never gamble on such position. For 100 reasons Trudeau has to go. I'm fairly convinced we are headed to minority territory where we will see a handful of elections back to back. Gun control doesn't win anyone the election, but it can help some people lose.

I live deep in Liberal territory, and lately I have been finding that there are a lot of Liberal supports who will be staying home or spoiling ballots because they can't in good conscience support Trudeau, but don't want to vote against the Liberals either. I have pivoted my strategy to try to leverage these sentiment.

I live among high income left-leaning urbanites. Liberals. My friends are mostly Liberal supporters.
I’m hearing the same thing. They are either going to not vote or protest vote. They won’t vote for Justin though.
Fingers crossed that the CPC keeps up the momentum.

 

[captainamazing]

This is why I don’t own and never will own an AR-15. The RPAL is enough of a pain in the ass with pistols. I actually wish I never got my RPAL and therefore never told the government where I have my firearms. It actually juat puts you on their radar instead of just being lumped in with all the hunters. XCRs T97s Tavors SKSs and CZ858s are plenty good enough for me not to mention the literal dozens of other good quality reliable NRs available.

Your dozens of other choices are eroding before our eyes. They already tried to take the T97 and have already prohibited the CZ 858. With their head in the sand some people shrug and say " well at least I still have mine" thinking that if they give up some of their liberty the government will leave them alone. This is a frog in the boiling pot scenario; and they just turned up the heat again.

 

[hulu1978]

This is why I don’t own and never will own an AR-15. The RPAL is enough of a pain in the ass with pistols. I actually wish I never got my RPAL and therefore never told the government where I have my firearms. It actually juat puts you on their radar instead of just being lumped in with all the hunters. XCRs T97s Tavors SKSs and CZ858s are plenty good enough for me not to mention the literal dozens of other good quality reliable NRs available.

Basing on LIB's policy, XCRs, T97s, Tavors SKSs and CZ858s will be banned too.

 

[joe-nwt]

Your first sentence does not make one iota of sense. They want ALL of your guns. If not for restricted, your non-restricted would be in the cross hairs today.

Secondly. Would selling your NR semi autos to the government to have them destroyed make you feel good? What if a right wing or even sensible centrist party gets back in and makes semis legal again with the stroke of a pen and you already handed yours in to be non-sensically destroyed? Why would they make something that's illegal and doesn't exist legal again? Think the 12X guys are still holding their breath? Explain that one.

All of the fear mongering and vote scolding garbage spewed on this website over the last few days is disheartening and is seriously ignorant of recent political past. If you did absolutely nothing during Chretien's LGR you would have been made a criminal and then not a criminal all within a measly 8 years.I was not a criminal the whole time. What's your point? You didn't register and now you feel all smug? Good for you. You apparently had less to lose than others. Again, good for you. The idea this is going to stick long term and that any judge would throw you in jail for keeping a semi auto is absurd. Have some goddamned balls for once.

Yeah, I guess I should trade my crystal ball in for a newer model like yours. I've done my part right from day one. If bans come to pass, and I don't think they will, YET, and your right wing messiah appears at a later date and waves his magic wand, I'll be first in line to buy.

 

[JJ1979]

At the end of the day the uninformed will only care about what affects them and their wallet. Point out it will cost an astronomical amount to do this while having little to no impact on crime, violence and public safety. Scheer, CCFR and others have already stated why this is a ridiculous plan (my vote is sky blue btw). The hardline lefties wont see any reason. Those that dont have (or dont realize they have) any stake in things only cares about food on the table, paying for a roof over their head and getting ahead financially. Get it out that the current government wants to spend millions if not billions of taxpayers money on something that wont make it any safer to live in TO, Montreal, Vancouver let alone suburban or rural Canada. Then the next question can be why are they really targeting law abiding citizens (perhaps some Venezuelans can chime in?)

 

[kodiakjack]

I live among high income left-leaning urbanites. Liberals. My friends are mostly Liberal supporters.
I’m hearing the same thing. They are either going to not vote or protest vote. They won’t vote for Justin though.

Why not?

His gun ban announcement? Or blackface/SNC?

I’m guessing the latter.

I see us mobilizing to go to battle over the guns, but I worry that that’s exactly what the liberals want. I know speaking up for firearms rights is what comes naturally to us, but I think we should be rather low key on the issue, and let Trudeau’s scandals fester in the public eye, instead of engaging in a distracting gun rights push that will only help him to keep/add leftist votes.

By all means, we should be ready for a fight, but I think any newsworthy movement pre election can only hurt our chances of ousting the liberals. Save it for the 22nd imho.

 

[slim123]

^^^^nailed it Kodiak .....words of wisdom for all to read and ponder^^^^

we should not fall into the lib trap and get freaked out by this.....it will only help the libs …..and do nothing whatsoever to help us ….save it for after the election, they are scandal ridden and desperate and are tossing out anything to see what sticks...and if liberal minded voters see gun owners getting all fired up over this...it may just energise them enough to get off their ass to vote....

Especially ….god forbid ….be actually stupid enough to vote for PPC over this....and split the conservative vote and most certainly drive the libs back into office....


"Never interfere with an enemy in the process of destroying itself" - Napoleon (derivative of an old Sun Tzu quote)

 

[Mumbles Marble Mouth]

Everytime I see one of his posts or a post from one of his goons on facebook I always post, "Mr Trudeau said he would take personal responsibly for the actions of his refugees he brought in. What responsibilities has Mr Trudeau taken in the murder of Marrisa Shen? Trudeau's refugees have killed more people in Canada than the AR-15 has." I'm shocked how many people forgot about Marrisa Shen.

 

[kodiakjack]

^^^^nailed it Kodiak .....words of wisdom for all to read and try to deeply understand^^^^

we should not fall into the lib trap and get freaked out by this.....it will only help the libs …..and do nothing whatsoever to help us ….save it for after the election, they are desperate and are tossing out anything to see what sticks...and if liberal minded voters see us getting all fired up over this...it may just energise them enough to get off their ass to vote....

Especially ….god forbid ….be actually stupid enough to vote for PPC over this....and split the conservative vote and most certainly drive the libs back into office....


"Never interfere with an enemy in the process of destroying itself" - Sun Tzu

I believe that quote goes to Napoleon...

 

[slim123]

correct.....my bad

Although not an exact napoleon quote...a napoleon quote for sure, it is also a derivative of an earlier sun Tzu quote along the theme "When an enemy is in the process of destroying himself...stay out of his way" (lending to loose translation)

Words of wisdom for sure....regardless of its true roots...definitely a pervasive comment to be applied to todays politics